Phi for All

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I'm not following you very well. "Again in material term"? I thought this was about non-physical manifestations?

Perhaps a better term is emergent properties, since manifestation is vague at best (and especially since you seem to be using it to mean "something that happens"). In addition to mathematical talent, the good grade in math emerged from many events that, by themselves, don't exhibit the same properties as the whole. High intelligence, diligence, communication skills, resources in time and materials, etc. Many things make up that grade. In that light, I would say humans tend towards various stages of mental maturity without giving any outward physical signs. In children, there's usually a moment when the light bulb goes on and they realize they're fully capable of pulling their own weight in the household. From that moment on, they start doing chores because the work NEEDS to be done, rather than because their parents require it of them.

It's a popular fiction, mostly supported by the intellectually dishonest. You wave your hands and rant and think we don't see you have no evidence to support yourself. What's insane is that you don't listen, you keep your mouth full, your brain empty, and you waste all the chances you've had with all your different sockpuppet accounts. All the while complaining OTHERS are hidebound.

mohamed777 has been banned as a sockpuppet of farolero, giordano bruno, strangelove, & Hipaso. Next is a spam report to IPBoard, so he won't be able to register on any forum that uses the software. If only he'd been this persistent studying....

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No real way to test this, but I think she's singing as she types. She may be discussing science in hymns.

Sure you can. Because here's the thing, since the original article appeared after Kennedy's death, the list has been added to, because in hindsight you can look at EVERYTHING, then pick the few that match the criteria you're looking for and pitch the rest. OMG! Both assassin's full names have exactly 15 letters! This is supposed to be "Lincoln was shot in Ford's Theater, and JFK was shot in a Lincoln."

I disagree with this statement, mostly because preferring people who look like you isn't the same thing as capitalized White Supremacy. Also there are issues like abortion that are much more nuanced by doctrine than by heritage.

They are pareidolia. We're willing to do a lot of mental gymnastics to make one thing seem like another. Of course, we also tend to anthropomorphize our world, or in this case liken the unfolding pattern of stars to plants we see in everyday life. A galactic pinwheel as the flower must lead to a stem and roots at the center, that sort of thinking.

Don't look a thing like I remember. You're talking about mean, vicious, isolationist people who oppose science, diversity, public education, freedom of choice, and just want to use socialism to get the poor and middle class to pay for their airports, roads, and seaports. Ike was the one who warned the real Republicans not to do what they're doing now, remember? Don't let industry get in bed with government Dwight Eisenhower, that's the guy I'm talking about. I think you're confused.

The combination of refusing to release documentation that would allow us to see if he's using political office for personal gain and the reversal of trade agreements/pipeline proposals he and his cronies might benefit from is enough in my mind, but that's from an ethical standpoint. Trump will only be impeached if his personal gains run contrary to enough other wealthy people's personal gains. It will be a matter of who owns more congressional clout. Watch for a tipping point, when enough of the uber-wealthy stop fighting him because they've finally positioned themselves to profit from him.

What would you call an Eisenhower Republican these days? That's where I learned about America's real strength.

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But not nearly on the scale of the right. And remember that the religious right used to be Democrats, when the Dems were considered less godless. Liberal religious people usually recognize the need for a separation of church and state, where conservative religious people tend to insist their beliefs be part of the law of the land. Liberal Christians are basically "Love thy neighbor as thyself" type people, which runs counter to more fundamental conservative dogma.

Please take a look at your responses, both here in this thread, and in most of the threads you're involved with. Notice how they rarely address the points the other people in this discussion bring up? Notice how you just keep standing on your soapbox, shouting out what you believe, no matter what anyone else is saying? That's what we call preaching here. It tells us you have no intention of learning from anyone here, but rather have come to push your flavor of the 9000 different versions of Christianity and nothing will stop you. It's not what we do here, it's not discussion, and it's just irritating as hell because you try so hard to use science, a thing you barely understand, to argue about something nobody can understand.

I forgot about this thread.

Amen.

You think this supports your point, and I think it supports mine. You fear the wrath of the supernatural, yet are excited at the prospect of crashing in a plane.

I have no problems with professions of faith, and expressions of hope. These things often provide comfort and a feeling of centeredness some can't find any other way. But for some of us who find these things in the natural world, your willingness to actually mold your life, change the way you live, and make major decisions based on Iron Age superstitions that have no observable manifestations in reality seems ridiculous in the extreme. It's why we worry someone like you or Sarah Palin could get codes to nuclear missiles and decide that it's Armageddon time, and you might kill us all because you thought your god(s) wanted you to. Your faith scares rational people.

He doesn't believe that.

In the early 80s, I was part of a group of actors, and we worked with the Denver Police Department academy trainees filming some domestic abuse scenarios, based on a relatively new system the DPD was promoting. The system categorized domestic violence in 10 escalating steps, and the officers had been trained on the proper responses to each. It was one of the most intense experiences I've ever had. Having a police force properly trained in domestic abuse is one of the most difficult but necessary things a progressive society can offer its families. It's a way to step in and have dangerous common situations diffused before they can escalate to physical violence while still respecting personal rights on personal property. 40 years of these kinds of policies and procedures have made a favorable impact. We lose about three women a day in the US to domestic violence, and that's a horrible number. One an hour is a human rights violation of international scope, and I sincerely hope the supporters of Putin/Trump are looking at these figures and rethinking just what kind of men they really are.