Phi for All

It's a temporary ban for a crude post elsewhere. We're working on getting vB to reflect that fact in the usertitle options. We've had more than one user join and get off to a rocky start, only to be drawn into the fascinating interest-vortex that is science. Hopefully manta will realize being an ass runs counter to his needs.

I'll make this really clear since you think you're a morron. No one here appreciates taking the time to post a thoughtful reply when you are so obviously impatient and ungrateful when they do. You need to stop that right now. I'll make you a deal. Apologize for your rude behavior and I'll remove the poll and prune the thread back to just serious answers. If you continue to criticize the help you get I'll just close the thread and ban you since you seem to be inconsistent with our purpose. Deal?

Serious? Oh, well that changes everything. That means we have to assume you are being abusive on purpose. Basically yes, there is a problem with that. It's assuming a lot from us to expect serious answers when you berate people for being slow on the response and then criticize the help that's given. My working hypothesis is that you are well acquainted with the word "troll". As for your signature, it seems like a pretty pitiful attempt to gain enough sympathy to overcome your abrasive and disturbing attitude. I have many Asian friends, acquaintances and co-workers and none of them are either morons or morrons. I have many friends from Philadelphia as well and they exude nothing but brotherly love and respect. I'd report this to a Moderator if I were you. I'm sure everyone is working furiously on them.

So true, yet I would love to see the "largest possible audience" reaction to a space scene from Firefly, where the ship's engine makes no noise and even weapons fired are silent. It's eerie, almost spellbinding, and even the least sciency people I know watch those scenes and say, "Oh, because noise doesn't travel in space! I get it! Cool!" Sometimes I think the guy who invented focus groups should be shot with a high-powered rifle. I wouldn't even mind it if the sound of the shot and the bullet arrived at the same time.

I know *I* did but I'm not sure about you lot. Maybe if you moved this thread to GD and we added that poll we could help more, get a consensus from the membership on why manta keeps getting banned from internet forums. If you sincerely wanted to help him be less morronicer you'd go the extra mile. OK, poll is up and running. Allowing that most problems don't stem from a single source you can vote for more than one. Feel free to read manta's other posts so you can get a good feel for his dilemma. We'll run this for a week, in which time manta will probably provide us with more to go on. I also wanted to check out the auto-merge feature for double-posting the Cap'n installed. Hey, pretty sweet!

I'd rather chew glass, thanks. I'll need therapy just for the bit I did.

I think it'd be irronicer if he asked someone else how to spelll it.

Most likely time zone differences. You posted at 3:29 AM yesterday and I was asleep. Oh, btw, I think I've figured out why you keep getting banned from every forum you join. You're impatient, rude and ungrateful. It could be youth and inexperience, it could be some kind of traumatic childhood event, or you could be an asshole. I can attach a poll to this thread if you like so we can get it figured out.

Science helps us define the physical world and technology helps us shape it.

... just short of using the Search function.

This is dangerous, setting yourself up as the arbiter of truth, but at least you didn't capitalize it.

But it's based on voodoo, which is a form of religion, so none of you lot will ever see it coming.

I'm getting the impression you don't want to hold these discussions here. Where are you taking this trustworthy bunch?

Then you're exactly what we're looking for.

Not really interested in fair. And I'm definitely not interested in trying to use science and religion to prove or disprove one another. It's like trying to use a graduated cylinder to measure how long your driveway is.

I disagree. The main mistake we made before was thinking unrestricted discussion was fair and therefore right for P&R. This allowed trolls who were only interested in either trashing religion or promoting their own religion to post in the subforum. Since we know historically there is no merit in such discussions they won't be allowed. Period. So if you're convinced there is no God, feel free to stay away from the new P&R (at least the religion threads). Same thing if you're absolutely convinced that *your* belief in God is the only true belief. Open yet skeptical minds only please.

From a strictly anecdotal standpoint, you probably overdid it a bit, but just a bit. It probably took you a long time to get in bad shape so don't try to fix it overnight. The pain is normal, even after 48 hours, if you're not used to it. You will build up endurance and muscle tone and you'll have to work harder to "feel the burn". Build up to it gradually if you're afraid of injuries. Stressing isn't supposed to be part of the program. And grats on thinking highly enough of yourself to take some action. For the rest of us who need to exercise more, quid tu moraris?

YT2095, like some others, uses caps for vocal emphasis in a non-vocal medium. Some people use italics, some use * brackets, some use bold and some use caps. Seeing as how he had no way of knowing "fluff" would set you off so badly, lucaspa's thorough answer can be forgiven, yes? Let's curb our sensitivity and get back to the thread.

With most poisons you can build up a resistance such that you require more and more to feel the effects. It's not as bad with nicotine as it is with alcohol since the consequences of overdosing are less severe, but addictive types should watch out for an increase in their intake. Woohoo, way to go, JohnF! Never look back, baby!

There are other P&R forums out there but that's their main concern. P&R would be just a subforum for us. Other sites allow all kinds of preaching and fallacious logic as well, especially ad hominems, Appeal to Tradition and Hasty Generalizations. SFN calls people out on these and even bans people who use them repeatedly as the basis for their arguments. On the whole I think most things can be discussed productively using our methods, even opinion-based subjects like religion and politics. If we re-opened P&R, only members who can discuss Philosophy and Religion with the SFN policies in mind will be allowed to post. And only people with 50 or more posts in the regular sub-forums (minus GD) would be eligible, so drive-by preachers won't happen. Also creationism won't even be discussed since it attempts to use religion to disprove science (of course the opposite won't be allowed either). I don't like the idea that science and critical thinking are only for certain aspects of my life. I find they can be applied in many ways outside the normal scientific arenas.

Do you feel the same about the Politics subforum? YT hates that one too.

Well, they are. AFAIK, they were lost with the server migration. Do you feel the same about a new P&R section? Do you believe SFN should be science only? Or do you think most anything can be discussed applying SFN's no-fallacies methodology?

Other countries like Great Britain, Germany, France, Spain, The Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark, South Africa, Belgium, Finland, Canada, countries like those? They all allow gay marriage or something equivalent. You must be talking about countries like Sudan, Iran, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, North Korea, and China. Those countries all think like you do. So when you're disrespecting homosexuals at work, school and in public, you're doing so because you want to look good in the eyes of others because their opinions matter more to you? I grew up believing the US had the right to lead only if we did so by example. Leaders require followers and a good follower doesn't follow blindly. So you get the idea that man and woman were made to marry each other from a myth that is highly believed to be untrue? Sounds like pretty shaky ground to build an argument that condemns one person in twenty. A bad picture?! Oh yeah, to those other countries whose opinions matter so much to you. I don't know why you want to be like *them*. I thought you liked the US. Or are you wrapping up your hatred of homosexuals with your love of country and pretending they are the same? Just watch out when you play the patriotism card. You need to remember that the United States allows dissent against it's leaders, always has and has always been the stronger for it, even envied for it. I call it open-eyed patriotism. Let's leave the blind patriotism to the terrorists, shall we?

If you didn't drink *all* the milk from the gallon, how was it still sealed? There are things that could have happened to the gallon from the dairy to the store but most likely the jug or carton was breached after you bought it somehow. That's happened to me before. A swollen container feels heavier because it's bigger than you remember. Your brain probably tells your muscles that the container feels bigger so you'll need more strength to lift it. I've also had the opposite happen. A big can of peaches I thought was full up on a shelf was empty (my mother was keeping bits of cheese for a mousetrap in it). I picked it up using strength appropriate to a full can and slammed it into the shelf above it, knocking it and everything on it down on top of me. Boy, did I feel goofy standing there in all the mess holding an empty peaches can!

Do most chavs live with their parents? Young people with no responsibilities to their own household have all the time in the world to find mischief. This happens a great deal in the US, partly because of the high housing market that keeps young people from breaking off on their own. There are other factors as well. When I moved out of my parent's house I didn't have internet, cell phones and cable TV to budget for. Many young people today consider those basics and won't live without them so they don't move out, they don't invest themselves in an independent life and so they end up bored with plenty of time for trouble.