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You are just polluting your own argument and proving that you are only interested in conspiracy, not in drilling down into the 9/11 questions. Big mistake to bring in Kennedy. Strawman, spamming your own thread and losing whatever scrap of credibility you might have had with anyone reading this. Man, I'm really disappointed in you, Franklin.

Wow, I stepped away and this thread really bloomed! The precedent issue I was referring to was in allowing one state to make it illegal to do ANYTHING in another state. I see why Ohio is doing this with the abortion issue but doesn't it open the door for Utah, where gambling is illegal, to enact a law making it illegal for any citizen of Utah to go to Nevada to gamble? And how is Ohio planning on monitoring this? Are they going to be checking medical records from nearby states for Ohio citizens obtaining abortions?

There's a nice precedent to set.

Let me step in at this point and clear up some issues. I'd like to stop having the far ends of the conspiracy/anti-conspiracy spectrum trading insults here. First off, from the evidence (remember this word) that I've seen, there is every reason to be suspicious of anyone who says this is an open and shut case. Much is unexplained, much is very unorthodox, and much has no precedent to draw from. On the other hand, evidence is not proof. Evidence is factual data drawn from the scene and individually points in no direction. There are many things I don't like about the 9/11 conspiracy/anti-conspiracy zealots. I don't like that footage from security cameras near the Pentagon was confiscated and never released. I don't like that because a few cell phone calls from the planes made it through when most don't it becomes a conclusion that they were faked. There are many things that make me skeptical about both ends of the spectrum, and I've found that's a healthy place to be. I'm certainly not trained to put together an evidence trail in a manner that can lead to successful conclusions, but I am certainly capable of being swayed by a carefully constructed appeal. I feel both sides trying to do just that. I choose not to buy into either side. I don't think the truth is completely known about the events of 9/11.

This could actually be the cure for the common cold. My wife fixes a hot curry soup that gets the sinuses flowing whenever I'm congested. We just have to figure out where we can rent titanium tongs and a Level B suit....

I can't even imagine a pepper so hot they recommend that you cut it up outside on a windy day to avoid stinging your eyes too badly. I have some friends who can be pretty obnoxious when it comes to bragging about how hot they like their curries and chili. Might be kind of fun to see them gasping and whimpering after a dose of Dorset Naga (evil ).

Welcome to the club, ladies and gentlemen! I see jdurg is in the audience tonight. Besides being one of our Resident Experts in Chemistry, jdurg loves to golf. I actually caddied for him early Sunday morning before last and his game has really improved. He misses the ball much closer now. And jdurg is very committed to the game. He asked me if I thought playing golf on a Sunday was a sin and I told him, "The way you play, it's a sin ANY day!" He said, "You don't like my game?" and I replied, "It's OK, but I prefer golf!" The course manager kept getting on the loudspeaker asking jdurg to please tee off from the men's tees, NOT the ladies' tees. Finally I had to turn and yell, "Would you let the man take his second shot!?!" We finally got onto the fairway and he looked at the green and asked me if I thought he could get there with a five iron. I said, "Someday, maybe." He said he'd move heaven and earth to break 100 on this course. I told him to try heaven, 'cause he'd already moved most of the earth. Many, many strokes later he said, "Would you stop looking at your watch, it's very distracting!" I said, "It's not a watch, it's a compass!" We lost his ball and when we finally found it he said, "This can't be my ball, it's too old!" I said, "Well, jdurg, it's been a long time since you teed off!" Then he proceeds to shank it right into the lake he's standing next to. He tells me he just wants to drown himself and I ask him, "You think you can keep your head down that long?" When we finished that evening he says I'm the worst caddy in the world. I tell him, "I don't think so, jdurg, that would be too much of a coincidence!"

I took Transdecimal's post to mean that a truly shallow person's desire to have sex with someone and then forget them afterwards is "like using their body as a masturbation device".

No strawman because you were the one who said metal bent outward indicated a bomb. You're downsizing that to "force from inside" and a strawman is something new introduced which is easier to argue against. Would all the energy from a plane running into a building necessarily go in one direction?

"Love it or leave it" is like putting blinders on. Being part of a democracy means being cognizant of it's shortcomings as well as it's strengths. Even if there is a conspiracy it can't be the entire administration who is behind it. If there are those who wanted us to go to war in the Middle East over oil and felt something like 9/11 was necessary to gain support it didn't have to be the entire Bush administration. This is where the conspiracy theorists make their biggest mistake, by trying to implicate everybody and say that everything that's ambiguous or unknown is part of the conspiracy. I'm skeptical about a conspiracy, but I'm also skeptical about closing the reports and dusting our hands and calling it over when there is still evidence being uncovered. Let's wait and see how it all falls out before making too many rash judgements.

Or maybe you should become a priest of Dionysus.

ROFL. I can't believe you're talking about casual sex on Easter! Just because bunnies do it constantly doesn't mean it's morally justifiable. Oooh, there's your answer. Religion usually wants a couple to be married before they can have sex whenever they like. It's a holdover from times when sex education and birth control weren't as sophisticated. If you don't want a lot of love children running around with no responsible adults to take care of them, you make sex the province of the church and then there's no wow without the vow. It could also be a retaliatory effort on the part of women to compensate for the sex reputation disparity. You know, guys who have a lot of sex are studs and gals who do are sluts? If I was a woman I would definitely want that changed (even as a man I think it's ghastly). And remember guys, if a woman calls you shallow she may just be saying that you don't penetrate deeply enough.

Shallow is a perception. If you never call again you might be shallow. If you're more interested in satisfying yourself than you are your partner then you're probably concerned only with the obvious. On the other hand, if you want to know a person beyond what they show to most others and are looking for a deeper, more meaningful expression of the feelings you have for... WHOA! Look how short that girl's skirt is! I'd like to show her the time of my life! Um, what were we talking about?

Because Franklin was NOT the author of what was posted earlier, even though it looked like it. The original information can be found here.

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I stand corrected. I was wrong. I was confusing variation with interpretation.

Do you see how different this statement is from: Your original claim invoked the principles of science, the second invoked the principles of faith. Science and faith, while not incompatible, should never be used interchangeably. It's only because you've touched on a sensitive issue. You are not the first to come here and declare science can prove heaven doesn't exist. Soooo... you're saying, "You show me yours but mine is too personal"?

Of course I meant that. The OP didn't tell me anything about his system or his environmental requirements, other than he was too hot in his computer room in the spring/summer and he has AC capability. I could make a case for electric baseboard heat and a tankless water heater if the user were single, lived in a 500 s.f. home in Atlanta, showered every other day, worked 12 hour days and slept at his girlfriend's house three nights a week. The same system wouldn't be as efficient for a couple with an infant in Fargo ND who work from home.

As cheap as electricity is for most things, it's always one of the more expensive methods of heating a building. I don't have any figures and they would vary widely due to most energy not coming from regulated utility companies anymore (Chicago uses Dominion Energy, right?). I still think a propane heat system would be cheaper than an all electric system. Burning gas, oil or coal and using electricity to power the blowers is just cheaper. You mentioned heatpumps earlier and they are great in the Southwest since you don't have to heat during freezing temps like you do in my area or in Chicago. Heatpumps can heat and cool and if it rarely snows in your area they are really efficient. I'm a fan of radiant barriers as well. Two sheets of reflective aluminum sandwiching a mylar center to avoid conduction helps radiate heat heat back to it's source, keeping homes cool in summer and warm in winter. A radiant barrier usually lays on top of your attic insulation and can also be used on either side of the batting between studs in your walls, though it's less effective there.

I'm relatively sure you have natural gas forced-air heat and AC system (if your AC condensing unit is outside it's a split system, and if the attic unit pulls refrigerant from an outside unit it's a fan and coil system). The AC runs solely on elecricity so it costs more. The furnace uses gas to heat and electricity to run the blower and is therefore cheaper. I like swamp coolers because they force air over a moist pad and the water does the cooling, but you don't need any more humidity with Lake Michigan helping out. Your attic fan keeps the attic cool in the summer so that heat doesn't penetrate to the house through the roof. This helps a lot. Do you have any fans going in your room? If not I would suggest an inexpensive oscillating fan ($12-$50) which doesn't cool as much but can be aimed so it doesn't blow papers off your desk. If you have a light fixture in your ceiling you could easily install a ceiling fan ($40-$150) that would really help in circulating air but it might cause a paperstorm when it's on high. Fans help in cooling and there's the psychological factor of feeling the breeze as well. Don't go cheap on fans - get a good one or you'll hear the hum of the motor. The alternative is to talk your dad into a room AC unit that fits in your window ($180-$700). They'll draw electricity but not as much as your central system that's trying to cool the whole house.

Like most things, it's very subjective. Do you heat with natural gas, electricity, coal or oil? Is your AC part of a forced air system that cools the whole house the way the furnace heats the whole house, or is your AC in a window and designed to cool just one room? Are you in a moderate, cold or hot climate? How efficient is your AC system and will it be able to handle the load you want to put on it? How well insulated is your house? Most central AC systems need electricity for the compressor, blower and fan and electricity costs are higher than natural gas, coal and oil. It does cost more to cool with electricity than to heat with natural gas, especially when you're asking your dad to cool the whole house for a problem with one room. You should check out a portable evaporative, or "swamp" cooler for your computer room. I've seen them as low as US$87 online to cool 200 square feet. They add a little humidity to the air but in some climates that's a good thing. And since they move on wheels, you can take it wherever you need it so you're not having to cool the whole house.

It depends. If he asks you for a couple of obols for a boat ride his name is Charon. Look for an oar instead of a scythe.

I can tell by your use of sentence case that you're getting smarter. Next you'll be using question marks and everything.

My input is that heaven is not observable by definition, therefore it can't be proved or disproved by scientific method.

New job, intelligence work, police supposedly, more likely MI6, licensed to kill, foreign agent, toys from Q branch, parachuting into broccoli plantations, infiltrate and eliminate, very hush-hush, that sort of thing. He told me exactly what he was doing once but there was a flash and now I can't remember. Seriously, he was on a couple months ago but he didn't want you to know, Nevermore. Says he owes you money or something.