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It may not be the "real issue", but I think it made us look bad in world opinion. To use a completely idealistic, probably inappropriate and even sillier high school analogy, I wanted to think of us as the valiant upperclassman in a letter jacket who stuck up for the freshmen that complained about a bully with a knife. We asked the teacher to search him and his locker and when nothing was found, and before the teacher could finish the search and give us true justification, we shoved the teacher aside and kicked the bully's ass anyway. A lot of the kids cheered, but a lot wondered what made us any different from the bully. And some thought we lashed out because we couldn't find the kid who really made us mad, the one who keyed our car in the parking lot.

It's relevant in that when Iraq finally complied with UN inspections, we didn't let Blix finish his schedule.

I think my biggest fear (besides WWIII) is that Iraq is going to be a "police station" for the neo-conservatives to expand global interests. I think it was Pangloss who pointed out that it took us over 200 years to go from $0 to $250 billion in defense spending, and just 10 years to go from $250 billion to $500 billion. It's absolutely ridiculous.

Instead of wondering, ladies, why don't you put your lazy butts to work creating that thread?!?! Do I make myself clear?!

Forgive me, I remembered that Blix was two weeks away from completing his inspections and hadn't found anything, but didn't dismiss the possibility that they would find anything. Wanting more time was absolutely necessary, but his scheduled inspections were two weeks short of being complete, if I remember correctly. As for moving operations elsewhere, satellite reconaissance did not favor that possibility over normal traffic in and out of the monitored facilities.

Different from doing, exactly like saying. Someone payed to give advice to the president' date=' like the Secretary of the Treasury ("Mr. President, you've already given the wealthy one tax break, why are you giving them another?") Oh, say, waiting the extra two weeks it would have taken the UN inspection team to be absolutely sure there were no WMD's in Iraq, possibly using that two weeks to form a better plan for getting in, getting Hussein and getting out again if the UN found anything worthy.

See, that's one of the things I look for in a world leader, the ability to do and say the right thing under pressure. Heeding the advice of experts is also high on my list. Ooh, ooh, and exhausting all other possibilities before going to war. Sorry.

See, I don't count those as Bushisms. Anyone can trip or get a little dislexic with a couple of alliterative words. It's the ones where he obviously isn't listening to what he's been saying that scare me.

I've asked the very same question here myself. I've been criticized before about posting jokes and humorous observations in GD about Bush, but though they complain, no one has bothered, or been able, to find any corresponding material. Do you think I should do ALL the work? Regardless of the outcome of this election, I think all my political efforts in the future will be aimed at eschewing both major political parties. They are both too obligated to major buisness interests that really don't have my welfare in mind anymore. I've already changed my business future by leaving a fairly heartless company and a large income for one that is genuinely interested in seeing me succeed. It still amazes me when this new company agrees with me that my family should come first. Perhaps business needs to remember that people with their dignity intact and their minds full of hope work more efficiently. Maybe when business changes, politics will follow suit.

Click the 'Quote' button on post #35 and you can see how I did it. The Bubble Quotes wrap is only for use in General Discussion. That's why this is in GD, not in the Politics Forum. This is not a debate. This is the only Bushisms site I've ever needed, and before you ask, no, I didn't buy the books.Political Humor

Free societies are hopeful societies. And free societies will be allies against these hateful few who have no conscience, who kill at the whim of a hat. George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Sept. 17, 2004 It's the Afghan national army that went into Najaf and did the work there. George W. Bush, referring to Iraqi troops during a joint press conference with Iraqi Prime Minister Ayad Allawi, Washington, D.C., Sept. 23, 2004 Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB-GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country. George W. Bush, Poplar Bluff, Mo., Sept. 6, 2004

If no one reported the truck missing, and the lake/river/street fed into the public drinking water, and no one witnessed terrorists emptying a truckload of 50 gallon drums into a tributary leading to a restricted municipal site, and all of our current safeguards failed simultaneously, and tens of thousands of people drank several gallons of water at the same time, and no one reported any ill effects, and no reporters got wind of it to warn others, and all the hospitals decided to go on vacation at the same time, then I suppose you'd have some mass destruction.

I'm done with my cart, will the man walking inside save me a big trip? "Hey mister! You need a cart to shop. Want this one?" "NO! Me want new cart!"

THIS is the truth! I think the bio/chem classification is officials covering their butts. A small, portable nuke has long been our biggest fear, with good reason.

Donny, have we got a nuke aimed at Finland? We do? OK, Gilded, you're FINNISHED!!! Hey, Uncle Dick, I made a funny!

Using the Bhopal incident was insulting on many levels, wouldn't you agree? Like an Al Qaida cell could strap a pesticide plant to their backs and run through downtown Manhattan. Next they'll bring up Hitler....

MM, I guess the lesson here is try not to let terrorists build a major pesticide plant next to your city. Douglas, I could bring up evidence provided by a former CIA officer that shows most of the 5000 Kurds who died in Hallabja died of blood agents, which is not a property of the mustard gas Saddam was using. It was more likely the Iranian gas that killed the Kurds in Hallabja. Both sides were using it on each other during the time. But that's not really the point. I'm sick of trying to bring you back on track and remind you that we are talking about the practicallity of terrorists using chem/bio weapons against us, and how much damage it does to the masses to believe that these invisible agents could be used effectively by those terrorists. All of your examples are simply examples of how dangerous chem/bios could be, when in reality it takes more expensive means and trained people to deal with than the terrorists have access to. Since you persist in ignoring what I'm trying to say, I have to believe you are simply trolling for a political argument rather than trying to understand a scientific point. One of my favorite parts of your argument is where you accuse me of putting up a smoke screen to cover your own smoke screen, the one where you compare terrorists to the sheer might and vast resources of Stalin. Over and over we've tried to point out that bio/chems for the terrorists are psychological weapons because we're including them in the list of WMDs. As long as we keep doing that, the terrorists don't have to expose themselves to the hideous cost of making them viable. I do appreciate your reiteration of some of the best points Sayonara³ and I were trying to make. Apparently, since you repeat some great ones as being bad examples, you really don't understand the issue. When you combine that sort of ignorance with a little knowledge of what bio/chem weapons could conceivably do under optimum conditions by trained professionals with the financial resources of a national military and try to suggest that Al Qaida could pull it off here in the States, you just put yourself on Al Qaida's payroll. Congratulations, the few people here who believe your propoganda are now terrified.

Two blond redneck guys are driving their pickup down the road when they spot a city woman who's car has run out of gas. She asks if they'll give her a lift to a gas station and back, and the rednecks demand some sex in return. She checks them out and then says, "All right, boys, I'll do it but I don't want to catch any diseases or get pregnant. You'll have to wear these condoms." She explains how they work and how they go on, and then she has sex with both of the rednecks. Afterwards, they get her car gassed up and she goes on her way back to the city. A year later, the two blonde rednecks are driving on the same stretch of road. "Hey Clem, you remember that city woman we had sex with around h'yar last year?" Clem grins and says, "Shore do, Zeke!" Zeke says, "Do you really care if she catches some disease?" "No, Zeke." "Do you care if she gets pregnant?" Clem thinks a bit and says, "Not a bit, Zeke!" Zeke says, "Me neither. Let's take these damn things off!"

There was a mailman who decided to retire. It was his last day and at the first house they gave him a box of chocolates. The next house gave him a nice big gift basket. At the third house, a hot looking blonde answered the door in nothing but a see-through slip. She took him upstairs and gave him the best sex of his life. They went downstairs and she made him some eggs, and then she handed him a dollar. He asked, "What was all that for?" The blonde replied, "Oh, it was my husband's idea. I asked him what we should get you for your retirement and he said, 'Screw the mail man, give him a dollar!' The breakfast was my idea."

Top Ten Blonde Inventions 1) Waxed tea bags 2) Solar powered flashlight 3) Submarine screen door 4) A book on how to read 5) Inflatable dart board 6) A dictionary index 7) Ejector seat for a helicopter 8) Powdered water 9) Pedal-powered wheel chair 10) The water-proof towel

swansont posted a link to that in post #13. And since he drew it, he takes precedence.

Cool! I love simple things that have multiple positive repercussions.

I apologize if I seemed to be defending Saddam in my earlier post. I abhor the thought of killing groups of helpless people, but I'm old enough to remember when Iran and the Ayatollah were the bad guys and Hussein was trying to keep them from spreading an Islamic Jihad through Iraq. Chemical and biological weapons are certainly capable of killing plenty of people, but what I object to is when optimum numbers are bandied around like it would always happen that way. The masses have a kind of Hollywood version of their capabilities in mind and when you couple their relative cheapness in materials and labor with overestimation of their effects, you give the terrorists exactly what they need. Certainly if terrorists were able to affect optimum conditions for the use of chem/bios, and couple that with a way to keep people from leaving the areas of contamination, it would be much more effective. Given how difficult a plan like this would be to implement, why would they even bother?

You mean when Saddam was on our side, fighting against Iran, with whom some of the Kurds were siding? Again, when you go into a village looking for Iranian soldiers to kill, and you use poison gas to flush them out, the enemy has the option of fleeing into your machine gun bullets or staying where they are and breathing the gas. Breath it long enough and you can't run anywhere anymore. The 5000 Kurds of Halabja died because they stayed put and breathed the gas. It was only effective because rifles and machine guns waited for those who tried to flee. Iranian soldiers entrenched in Kurdish villages died alongside the Kurds as well. We don't count them because Iran and Iraq were at war. The Kurds were considered collateral damage at the time, and Saddam considered them traitors for siding with the enemy, but since Saddam is now the enemy....