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It's not too late to do some studying and learning. Before you get too deep into the mess you've presented.

Because no-one deserves to remain ignorant ... Enjoy. ( and because this thread is uickly developing into another 'Schroedinger's cat proves there is no God' thread that I don't want to participate in )

Other than Shania Twain, I've never heard anyone use those words either, Studiot. But she looked fantastic when she did ! And before this thread gets bogged down in arguments regarding fallacies, rather than the OP ... I'm saying that if a person who has a medical condition like extremely dry skin, and needs to soak in hydrating moisture all day, such that their skin is wrinkly like a 60 year old, decided he needed to compete against you in the over60 marathon and promptly left you 3 hours behind, you wouldn't think it was a fair race.

And, as for being "too stupid to see it" ... I'm no ggenius, but, speak for youself 😁 .

My choice of language is not as nuanced as yours, Zap; it has no hidden meanings. Considering yourself a woman , if you are born male, is not a life choice, but undergoing surgery and hormone treatment is. Doctors don't automatically do it; you have to decide and make the choice which affects your life. Hence life choice. And since the surgery and treatment is what we are examining with respect to gender segregated sporting competitions, I think my use was accurate. Being disabled is not a threshold requirement either. But participating in thrilling activities, like flying a plane, or competing in recreational sports is not an essential. If your livelyhood comes from a cprofessional sport, obviously that is a problem that needs fixing. ( I have said that before ) As for this business about outdated definitions of men and women, I note no-one has addressed why we now need 47 definitions ( and growing ) of differing gender/sexual orientations ... And I still fail to see how you guys can be so sensitive to the disadvantages faced by trans women in sporting competitions, yet completely ignore the disadvantages that puts cis women at in those same competitions. Is trans the flavor of the month for social justice warriors ? 😄😄😄 I'm joking, really !

Or, it simply means that, like the blind men in the parable, we have only probed objective reality with limited 'senses'. An example is probing the universe with EM radiation. Who knows what wonders we may uncover when we can harness neutrino emssion, gravitational wave, or even graviton emission astronomy ?

Retinas don't detach and flop up/down at angles which might extend your field of view in a particular direction. What usually happens is that the gelatinous substance in the back of the eye, 'srinks' as it dries with age, makes small tears in the retina, and the gelatinous fluid can get under it. A 'blister' of the retina forms and, if not corrected, scar tissue/ blood pools under it leading to loss of vision. In any case, you wouldn't be able to see around corners or through them, to view the top of your head or your chin.

It is not special, so sometimes it gets wiped out the week after it 'emerges'. But that is not the reason it continuosly 'emerges'. ... "Ian Malcolm: If there's one thing the history of evolution has taught us, it's that life will not be contained. Life breaks free, it expands to new territories, and crashes through barriers painfully, maybe even dangerously, but, uh, well, there it is. ... Ian Malcolm: Life will find a way." and I promise, that is the very last time I will ever quote Jeff Goldbloom.

Our perception of reality is subjective, of course. But an objective reality does exist. ( we are as in the Indian parable of the blind men describing the lephant by touching certain parts of it )

I am now going to go off on a tangent ... When you decide to have your gender reassigned from male to female, I'm sure it is explained to you that there are some things you previously did, that you won't be able to do anymore. Like peeing standing up ! What is this obsession we have that everyone should be able to do whatever they wish, no matter their life choices ? If it is an aspect of survival, like a crippled person entering a grocery store to buy food using a ramp, then we as a compassionate society need to make it happen. And certainly, if competition is your livelyhood then trans athletes need to be able to compete, but if it is just for fum ( or games for Dimreepr ) then that is not required and cannot be considered a 'human right'. I had the same problem as Studiot; always wanted to fly jets, yet my vision sucks. Is it a 'human right' that I be able to fly jets ? Or do I suck it up and live my life without that thrill ? Of course Zap. I consider myself 'compassionate'. But, as to wether it is a 'rght', human or otherwise, I'm not so sure.

Qualification thresholds would ensure equality ( or close to it ) of outcome. If the threshold is 10 second 100m, it would ensure every competitor ran 9.9 sec. and training, effort ( and steroids in Ben Johnson's case ) count for nothing. As studiot explained earlier, equality of outcome is NOT competition. Equality of opportunity is.

So you think our society has moved past where we need to define differences between men and women ? Yet are perfectly happy with the 47 'defined' genders, LGBQT+... FFS, how is that relevant ? Notice how my response above doesn't add much to the discussion ? ( this is a teaching moment ) I don't think they should be disadvantaged either. But the solution is never to hurt one group with the intent to better another. And if the intent is to minimize the harm, certainly you are harming fewer trans athletes than cis athletes, but like I previously stated, I don't have a simple solution.

While testosterone levels are of some benefit to classifications, basing weightlifting classes on the amount that can be pushed or pulled, or sprinting classes on how fast you can run, simply ensures everyone is equal and training/effort doesn't matter. I realize I've been complaining and offering little in terms of solutions, but it is a really complicated issue. It is not just testosterone that affects strength/speed performance; all sorts of other hormones control general differences between males and females ( like lean body mass, ribcage/lung capacity size in relation to body, ratio/location of 'fast twitch' and 'slow twitch' muscle cells, etc ). There is no simple solution. I just don't agree with disadvantaging one group ( cis women ) to equalize another ( trans women ). And no, I'm not going fishing with any of you guys !

actually, I don't fish. ( too boring ) So I got nothing to say.

It is a species called Overactivus Imaginatium. A lage part of the magnifying power of the eye is provided by the shape of the cornea. It is impossible to focus on microbes on that cornea.

Not an expert either, and while I love both, wine and cheese, I only know a little about wine yeasts. There are 'standard' varieties used by winemakers, as well as wild, or native, varieties which add nuances to that particular wine. This explainssome of those differences in greater detail Yeast in winemaking - Wikipedia

As the memory and storage requirements are not excessive, I don't think the rquirements are based on the processing ability of newer processors, as that seems to have stalled, for intel at least, since about the Haswell architecture, 5 years ago. ( stopped the tic-tock strategy and can't seem to migrate to smaller scales, while AMD uses TSMC for fabbing ) The requrements seem to be driven by the presence of the Trusted Platfom Module and the presence of 'secure boot' in the BIOS/UEFI, and is an effort to combat ransomware, which seems to be a growing problem. If Microsoft goes ahead with this, it will benefit business users, but alienate all those home users who switched to Win 10, as they'll need to update their machines. So, mostly because MS can't be bothered to fix the problem in their software, they expect the general population to expend money upgrading what are essentially internet browsers, to the latest bells and whistles that Intel and AMD will glaldy provide. Once the complaints start, I see MS backing off, as they will not support two differing systems ( again ), and possibly do the hard work of introducing encryption in software, possibly even as a user toggled add-on, which can be 'switched off' f it impacts system performance too much. The problems all started when Bill started bringing strippers home to his pool, while Melinda was sleeping ... ( just joking, let the poor ( actually filthy rich ) guy have some fun 😁 )

How competitive ? Do you use a male fishfinder, the less accurate female fishfinder, or do you cheat and modify your male fishfinder to look like a female one ? ( I never miss an opportunity to hammer a point home, Zap 😄😄 ) I must admit, I ( and some others ) feel somewhat like J K Rawlings. Mentioning that, some of the steps being taken to ensure 'equality' for trans women are detrimental to the equalty of cis women, is immediately shouted down with accusations of transphobia. ( we never did discuss this, but it seems to tie in )

I live in Ontario, Canada, and I cannot count the number of fresh water lakes we have. You live in Iowa. Where the heck do you fish ? 🙂😃😆

Of course it's biased, INow; the article is written by a woman, who feels women are disadvantaged by that particular situation. Are you, a man, going to tell her she's wrong ? Are you going to tell her not to get so worked up, and go in the kitchen and bake something ? ( this comment is similar to what your comments about gay marriage dring to the discussion ) Even sports that require mostly co-ordination and not too much physical strength, have different accomodations for men and women. I played a round of golf this morning, and was reminded of the different tee-off for women. In 'our' haste to make things equitable for trans women, we are disadvantaging women ... again. And fishing might be a sport, Studiot, but it's not a competitive sport, where you have to compete against someone who may now be physiologically mostly male, but competing as a female

You keep throwing gay marriage, civil rights, universal healthcare, climate change, evolution, and other similar topics, into a discussion they have nothing to with. i thought you read all the posts; you must have missed this one I posted ... twice. Barbara Kay: Transgender weightlifter may expose the unfairness of trans athletes in Tokyo (msn.com) Or will you only accept it when someone does a peer reviewed study of it ?

What makes you think neutrinos will even interact with topological solitons ?

I have previously explained why this is not like gay marriage at all. Gay marriage doesn't disadvantage anyone. Trans women ( male to female ) disadvantage ciswomen in sporting events which are predominantly strength based. Pointing this fact out is not akin to being against gay marriage. And your statement to dismiss, or silence, the argument that cis-women are disadvantaged by trans-women ( in some respects ), is not something I would expect from you. edit: just put quotation marks around the quotes, and be done with it, JC Oh, and demerit points make for a poor choice of argument. Discussion, and cosideration of other's posts, is much preferred.

If you had stated that there are things we may possibly never know ( as exchemist stated in the post above yours ), like the color of aunt Mabel's socks, on a world, in a universe that existed 100 billion years before ours, this discussion would have ended 9 pages ago, as everyone would have agreed with you. But let us be clear, these are 'scientific' obstacles to our knowing; the fact that you chose to term it 'supernatural' ( among many other terms ) is what got under people's skin. This is a science forum; you'll have to excuse us for thinking like scientists.

There are unanswered questions ( paradoxes even ) in Physics today. Physics if far from done, and we have barely scratched the surface of the Physics of the universe. Arrogant people ( even scientists ) thought Physics was 'complete' over 100 years ago, then, Quantum Mechanics forced a new paradigm on the scientific community, and we realized how little we actually knew. When, and only when, we know ALL of the Physics of the universe, and there may still be unanswered questions, will I consider explanations that are 'beyond' science. But that's just me.