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The US has gone from being admired by the rest of the free world, to a laughing stock on D Trump's election, and eventually to being hated by all for allowing D Trump to pull stunts like this.

After all the criticism he's levelled against the former administration's diplomatic deals ( and cancellations of their deals ), he must have realized that any trivial concessions he could have gotten out of KJU/North Korea would have made him look like an idiot and opened him up to ridicule/criticism. Both leaders have come across as idiots ( what Nobel Prize ? ), but while the North Korean people will either never know, or are simply forced to support an idiot, the American people, and specifically D Trump supporters, should start to realize that he's not the great negotiator he claims to be. ( how are things going with the Chinese trade negotiations ? ) A summit is still possible, in the future, but it'll have to involve a much more capable President ( and a few other neighboring stakeholders ). It simply needs to be pointed out to North Korea that their ONLY bargaining chip is their nuclear program; they have nothing else to offer the rest of the world. Unless they are willing to 'put that on the table' there is no reason to negotiate anything.

I'm starting to get the impression a lot of you like sake.

That explains your tenacity and stubbornness, Ten oz. Fighter instinct and thick head bones. I just gained a whole new level of respect for you.

Thanks again. Gives me something to read at work tomorrow night.

Did you ever do any boxing Ten oz ? Or just like to watch ?

Thanks Mordred. A quick perusal of the paper you provided indicates that quark matter, " a degenerate Fermi gas of quarks held together either by the strong chromodynamic forces " may be a denser form of matter. In effect, matter at the same density as a proton or neutron, both composed of quarks held together by the color force. However the cores of neutron stars are already thought to be composed of quark matter, and since BHs collapse from neutron stars, I don't see quark matter as being present in the center of a BH.

I don't doubt the existence of Black Holes, BeeCee. I just don't see any evidence of something 'stronger' than neutron degeneracy, able to resist gravitational collapse. And I've given my argument ( actually S Chandrsekhar's argument ) in my previous post.

Are we sure there is a denser form of matter than a neutron star , Mordred ? Take an electron and place it in a box. Now start shrinking the box. Once the box has shrunk enough, the position of the electron is 'fixed' enough that its momentum would be so great that it would need to exceed the speed of light. The effect that keeps this from happening is electron degeneracy pressure not allowing you to fix, or compress, the electron's position that far. If the pressure increases past this point, as in a larger star than a white dwarf, electrons and protons are forced together to form neutrons, in which case the 'box' around the neutron can be three orders of magnitude smaller ( since a neutron is three orders of magnitude heavier ) before the HUP limitation makes the neutron's speed unphysical. This is neutron degeneracy pressure. This is the argument S Chandrasekhar used in the paper on the degenerate electron gas in white dwarf stars. He wrote it in the 30s, on the boat ride to England to study under Sir A Eddington at Cambridge, and it can be easily looked up. I don't see how going back to a particle that is slightly heavier than an electron would help 'resist' higher pressures than neutron degeneracy. Please elaborate.

Does it really matter... All sake tastes like crap anyway.

"...quantum gravity MIGHT say that it cannot be compressed beyond the Planck Density" We just don't know. You are assuming that at the Planck level, some new mechanism steps in to resist further gravitational collapse. But we have no idea what this mechanism is, or if it even exists. What we do know is that compressing SM particles beyond a certain point, sets up an event horizon, effectively separating space-time from the interior of the EH. I'm not saying that the ultimate fate is necessarily a singularity, but, we know GR predicts that, at that point, nothing can stop the overwhelming crush of gravity. IOW, I can only base predictions on what I know, not what I don't know. G

We also don't know of any mechanism that can stop gravitational collapse once a certain mass is reached in a given radius. And the only 'working' theory we currently have is GR. Speculating on what a theory we don't yet have ( quantum gravity ) would predict, is a bigger stretch; although I agree, singularities imply something is not right, and I don't believe they exist either. ( but without a theory to back it up, its just a hunch )

GR predicts Black Holes are singular, which means infinite density at the singularity, and is obviously an impossibility for any type of SM matter. We have no other workable theory of BH formation, so until we do, the best we can say is that theory predicts that BHs are not made of SM matter. That would be the only thing I could say with our present understanding.

Sometimes that's best.

Well, if you're not going to discuss the contents of the doc with anyone who hasn't watched it, and I, and most other sensible members aren't going to be extorted into wasting 20 min watching a nutjob, conspiracy theory video, the mods might as well close this down right now. And, you're in violation of forum rules.

But you will consider reincarnation ? Please list the 'evidence or fact' that satisfied your need and allows you to consider reincarnation.

Reincarnation ? Really ???? But a toaster, with AI, as a life form, is too far fetched ?

How can you possibly leave religion and spirituality "out of it", when, for many people, all over the world, it is a large modifier of their sex drive ? Not saying that's a good or bad thing, just recognizing that culture ( in which I include religion ) has modified how we act upon our basic instincts. No one ( hopefully ) clubs a woman over the head, drags her back to his cave, and has sex with her anymore, do they ? ( or maybe I should say everyone knows THAT is NOT allowed, because some still do )

'God' is mostly an emotional 'crutch' for people, these days. I have found personal responsibility much more useful in my life. What was it Conan the Barbarian used to say ? " crom helps those who help themselves " Then again, he was a barbarian...

I am not slamming your ideas as downright delusional, but as Strange points out, energy IS measurably frame dependent. That, and the notion of an absolute frame, need to be amended. I don't know how more 'constructive' I can be.

I've gotta get a new toaster... Mine just 'toasts' bread.

Other than the differing opinion that energy can be treated as a 'substance' ( and not a property ) which makes no sense, the biggest stumbling block seems to be that energy is frame dependent. Your treatment doesn't take that into consideration. Nevertheless, it is an interesting approach. I haven't read your paper, but, can information be made frame dependent ? I mention this because information is a conserved quantity in QM, but it is not in Relativity. If your treatment could be made frame dependent, it might give further insight of links between GR and QFT, and possibly provide a way towards a quantum gravity theory ( could your 'chunks' of energy be equivalent to the loops of LQG ??? ).

A book has to 'connect' with the reader. The novel needs to immerse the reader in its world for it to be enjoyable. IOW it needs to be read in the right circumstances ( such as age ). I was fortunate to read 'classics' like Animal Farm and The Catcher In The Rye when I was in high school, and they were very hard to put down. At that point in my life Orwell's 1984 would not have had the same effect on me as Animal Farm did. I read Moby Dick as a teenager and found it boring, but II re-read it about 15 yrs ago, when Star Trek-First Contact came out ( Jean Luc Picard quotes Moby Dick's Capt. Ahab while discussing the Borg ) and found it excellent and certainly deserving to be called 'classic'. Tried reading the Harry Potter stuff, even bought the Blu-ray movies, but to no avail. Still haven't read, or watched, them. Mostly read science fiction, but I've gone from the simplistic stuff of the 30s-50s 'pulp' , to more complex, thought provoking stuff. The only ones I've kept ( nostalgia I suppose ) are Andre Norton's works; which are by no means 'classics'. He was actually a she, when women didn't write science fiction. And she had cats ( and included them in her stories ), so she couldn't be bad.

I'll never get that image of Bullwinkle, naked, on the beach, out of my mind...

A lot of people are happier in their delusions than they are with reality. The booze, drugs and pornography suppliers are making large amounts by recognizing this.