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That's better ! ( After you read all of iNow's provided links, then you can give in and change your views. Thanks iNow. )

Read a history book and learn how to spell Mussolini. He was not a 'corporate' man, but an opportunist. For the first part of his life he was actually a Communist who wrote for a Communist paper, but when opportunity presented itself, he quickly changed his 'stripes' as a way to better his position and take advantage of others ( and rise in stature/power ). I realise 'fascism' has taken on a different meaning today, but originally it referenced the 'fasces' or bundles of wheat that you saw scattered about in wheat fields after the harvest ( an old Roman symbol ). He came to power before Hitler, and it is said Hitler was impressed by Mussolini's accomplishments, until he met him and realised what an idiot/buffoon he actually was. Of course it may have been the festering syphilis rotting away his mind

I don't understand why Ten oz thinks there should be a homogeneous culture in each 'country' as opposed to the present diversified arrangement. Iraq was previously diversified and they seemed to live together under the iron fist of S Hussein. Similarly Tito's Yugoslavia, and the former Russian republics under centralised Communist rule. And if your answer is that these were totalitarian regimes, multiculturalism also seems to work quite well in Canada, the US, Western Europe, some of south America, etc. If on the other hand, you'll claim that the problem in the middle East is religious diversity, I would be a rich person if I had a nickel for every time I've been told ( on this forum ) that the problems in the middle East are NOT religious. This is one of those times I agree with you Tar. The US is often blamed when they go into a situation and try to affect change, and they are also blamed when they don't do enough or anything. I guess that's your lot when you're seen as the leader of the free world, you've gotta have pretty big shoulders because you're damned if you do, and damned if you don't.

Now I'm disappointed Shelagh. Don't change your views or ideas simply because other people have expressed a dissatisfaction with them. Tell these Bozos ( I mean that in the nicest way possible, guys ) to provide you with evidence, and if that evidence is satisfactory, THEN you'll change your mind. ( that's what a discussion is, isn't it ? ) If you change your mind just because everyone is against your opinion, then you're just trying to 'fit in'.

What you just described is impossible airbrush. A star cannot become massive enough to immediately form a black hole. Nuclear fusion would start way before that point, and 'blow away' all gases/dust needed to make up the additional mass. All large scale black holes are the result of gravitational collapse of stars or 'merging' of neutron stars/black holes. I,E. stars come before Black Holes. Whether Black Holes come before spiral arm formation ( or not ) is open for discussion.

I don't see why not. If your own country doesn't provide you the opportunity to better yourself ( even if it is simply earning more money ), then there is a problem. And I speak as an immigrant to Canada, from Italy, in the late 60s. That's not to say that the US provides opportunities for everyone ( that is a problem ), so some do leave. But none so desperate as to do so on an inner tube.

Oh, I don't know, you've been pretty sociable on this site over the last month.

Maybe Willie could explain to the rest of us why, if Cubans are so friendly, happy and content with their lot in life, so many of them are willing to set sail on an inner tube across 50 mi of shark infested waters to get to Florida ? ( whatever America's problems, Cuba's are much more serious )

Over the centuries people have noticed that masses follow certain trajectories when acted on by other masses. Newton was kind enough to put these actions in a general form which is still quite accurate today, but there were some anomalies. Einstein realised that if we describe space-time by a generalised co-ordinate system, we can account for these trajectories by considering this co-ordinate system to be 'warped' or 'curved' by stress-energy. This theory of gravity has been so successful because it correctly accounts for the trajectory of Mercury about the Sun, or even that of light around massively gravitating objects. Again, it is the 'model', GR, which 'warps' or 'curves'. Whether or not space-time is ACTUALLY 'warped' or 'curved' is anybody's guess. But the theory does a damn good job of 'modelling' reality. ( at least far enough away from inflection points such as singularities, and the quantum realm )

Very thorough, Ophiolite. Thank you.

Did the private corporations hijack the STs, or did the states allow them to do so ? Why does the state government and school boards allow private corporations this kind of control and ability to manipulate without oversight ? Maybe state governments and school boards should be subject to some accountability also, not just students and teachers.

OK, but why no plate tectonics on Mars ? So, elaborate. ( or are you gonna make a lazy guy do some searching ? )

To be fair studiot , it has nothing to do with the size of the uncertainty, In posts #6 and #8, TakinItEasy made the assumption that at absolute zero, all motion ceases, and time stops. Well all motion does not cease. Even if it did ( almost ) for atoms and molecules within the bounds of uncertainty, electrons and quarks would still move. So this fails as an argument for time stopping.

Both of you have misunderstood the point Dimreepr and Ten oz. My post was not about winning, nor was I trying to justify anything. I simply stated that IF THERE IS JUSTIFICATION, such as if Canada were to invade the US and England tomorrow with the express purpose of killing all your men and taking all your women ( HaHa ),you would both be justified in going to war against Canada. And IF THERE IS JUSTIFICATION, you shouldn't go about it half-as*ed with a 'proportional' response, fighting limited to air attacks with unmanned vehicles and PGMs, or computer simulations of damage and reporting to disintegration chambers. These are the things that sanitize war, make it seem like a good idea, and make it last a long time. The best argument against war is that it is brutal and brings everyone down to an 'animal' level. One has a good argument that the allies were justified in going to war against Hitler's aggression in WW2. How long do you think the war would have lasted if we had only targeted his war factories, munition storage, airfields, etc, and tried to avoid casualties at all costs. It is interesting that the Russian forces, which were the most brutal towards the Reich's forces, almost defeated them singlehandedly. On the other hand, IF THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION ( like the argument could be made for Iraq ), we shouldn't start sh*t, and shouldn't be there

Found it interesting that even the best of them are only about 50% truthful. Here in Ontario we have a government legislated core curriculum and standardized testing ( in some grades ). The basics like math, science/technology, and language/communication are not subjective or open to interpretation in different parts of the country. And the testing, while stressful for the students, is needed to gauge student's progress as well as teacher/board performance. So I don't understand the objections.

BHs don't 'suck'. They have the same gravitational properties as an object of equivalent mass. A 10 solar mass BH will have things in orbit around it just as a 10 solar mass star would.

No Strange, I believe the answer is staring him in the face, but he is still trying to do energy conservation across frames.

Well while we've got you here Ophiolite... I was aware that Mars does have a molten core because it shows evidence of volcanic activity. However, Earthly volcanos show a linear motion through time, such that the volcano creates a 'crest'. On Mars they don't, a volcano will happily sit in one location, indicating that there is no plate movement. If I'm mistaken in my assessment, please correct me and elaborate. If I'm correct, why is there no plate motion over the molten core ? And if this causes a thread derailment, please split off. .

It is speculated that the post Big Bang universe, with its energy density, could have formed microscopic Black Holes, which due to their size and resultant temperature, would have evaporated already. But no tell-tale gamma ray bursts have been detected ( so far ). Or there may not have been any ! In which case, the only mechanism we know of producing Black Holes is collapsing stars. But since a spiral galaxy is an 'evolved' galaxy, it is possible for Black Holes to have formed before the galaxy became a spiral. As a matter of fact, all the extremely far, elliptic/irregular Quasars are forming galaxies where the central BH is still active.

Not a competing school of thought at all, just a misconception. As other members have told you, modern science ( which by necessity includes QM ) does not allow for such a localization of a quantum particle. Zero motion implies you know its position and momentum, an impossibility. And not because of any measuring limitations. That's just the way reality is.

So if both long range forces and properties like energy and momentum are free to migrate between our space-time and this '5th' dimension, why exactly is it needed ? Now chocolate sauce ? That's needed ! ( Christmas baking, what, you thought I ate it with a spoon ? )

My impression was that he was asking if we can use the one swing of a REVERSIBLE cyclic process to extract useable work. I thought it obvious that if work is extracted, the process can no longer be reversed.

You may want to look up deBroglie's Pilot Wave theory, jajrussel, where a wavelike property is assigned to particles to account for their non-localization.

The universe has always been expanding post Big Bang. We believe it expanded exponentially ( inflation ) in the brief instant following the Big Band, and then 'settled down' into a nice leisurely, close to linear expansion. Lately in the last several Bil yrs, the expansion seems to be accelerating again ( not as extremely as inflation, however ), indicating that whatever effect drives expansion, it has changed. This change is labelled dark energy.

Thanks Janus, maybe I should have done some 'back of an envelope' calculations before I shot off my mouth.