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OK, let's consider some other issues, since we seem to be agreeing on too many things now. A white male Meth addict can trace his roots back to impoverished great-great grandparents in Alabama, who had no source of income because land owners used black slaves as cheap/free labor. His ancestors never received an education, and he will never amount to much because of those circumstances; he is not owed any 'racial' restitution. Oprah Whinfrey ( for example ) can trace her roots back to black slaves in the Southern US of the 1800s, and she can prove that instead of $8 Billion, she would now be worth $25 Billion; she is owed 'racial' restitution. Does anyone else see the problem with basing restitution on 'race', and not on the injustice suffered ?

I like the proposed approach, but I have to ask who is 'we' ? We already have a system designed to compensate victims of injustices. The courts do this through individual cases, and class action lawsuits. Is a separate Government institution going to be set up for this purpose ? I also have to wonder about systemic racism inherent in all our institutions. As CharonY mentioned, institutions like the courts and Governments tend to weigh the 'good of the many' higher than the 'good of the few', and minorities are by definition, under-represented. And the ultimate arbitrer, the Supreme Court, is beholden to the political party that appointed a majority of its members. Would this approach, along with some measures to alleviate systemic racism, measures that have been previously mentioned by me, and String Junky ( I can find them and paste them if you don't recall them ), not yield better results ? That is what we have been suggesting, not delaying restitutions until racism has ended ( as some of you have twisted it ).

I wouldn't worry so much for the future of Prigozhin, he is a thug, and deserves everything coming to him. However he is not stupid, and if he actually is in Belarus, we should worry ( ? ) more about Lukashenko's ability to retain power and continue breathing.

I would assume quite a few ethnic regions of the current Russia would want independence, after their kids have been used as cannon fodder in this useless war. This could be the end of Russia as we know it, and its 'Balkanization' into smaller, but resource rich, independent nations. If all goes well ( probably no chance of that happening, however ) that's the end of one bogeyman. Only KJU, Xi and Trump left ...

It is called rest mass for a reason; the rest frame is the only frame where its value is valid. In all other frames mass would be measured different, because what we call mass, the resistance to changes in inertia, increases dramatically as relative motion approaches c . That is the main reason protons at the LHC can slam into targets with energies in the TeV range. I believe Swansont has already addressed your mistaken beliefs concerning the supposed 'invariance' of length ... So you've got no mathematical proof, nor any observational evidence. You know what that leaves ? Squat !

Exactly ! A celebration of heritage; no need too celebrate skin color. I would go one step further, and consider Southern US heritage essentially black heritage, whether it's the cooking ( fried chicken and grits ), the music ( jazz and the blues ), or even the Gospel singing in the church services. Similarly, you can go to any St Patrick's Day celebration and find twice as many non-Irish ( even Brits ) as Irish revellers. ( bwe all just go for the beer ) Cinco de Mayo is the anniversary of the Mexican victory over the invading French, in1862. And ironically enough, is a bigger celebration for Latinos in the US than for mexicans in Mexico. Big difference between common heritage of a group, and perceived 'racial'groups. The examples given show that differing 'racial' groups can have common heritage. ( I don't like using 'race' either, but it helps keep the discussion understandable )

You do realize those celebrate events ( you can easily look them up if confused by this info ), not 'races' or distinct groups of people. Even when they do celebrate a heritage, like Canadian Multicultural celebrations, that is vastly different from celebrating an apparent 'race' od skin color.

A two pronged approach has been suggested. Restitution is given to all who have suffered past injustices, and decided through the courts, with no reference to racial discrimination. That is part of the second prong; the reduction or mitigation of racism by taking 'race' out of the equation. The color of a person's skin, or outward appearance does not define that person. Other suggestions have also been made for mitigation, in terms of laws and governance, and their implementation. I am of the opinion that there is no need to 'celebrate' a person's skin color or appearance; I celebrate what he/she says and does. I have no clue what any of you look like, so I definitely don't celebrate your appearance. I do, however, celebrate what you post, and although we may disagree about some issues, I conaidder most of you my friends. That's what I would celebrate about a group of people.

I made no such claim. I merely asked you to consider other mechanisms that might keep c invariant. You are the only one here making claims, and not supporting them. Again.

I hate to ask, since you're not talking to me, but who are these 'allies' you speak of ? No one involved in this thread has made similar comments; we have advocated for a specific method of making restitution for past injustices, AND, have suggested ways to mitigate racism producing such injustices in the future. This second part has been dismissed by some forum members as unworkable, impossible and useless to even attempt. Just setting the record straight, as I see it from my PoV. ( I realize other PoVs may differ )

I see where you are going with this ... In the equation E=mc2 Both E ( energy ) and m ( rest mass ) are frame dependent. It is actually defined for the mass as measured in the rest frame; so if we re-arrange to get c2=E/m then how can c be constant ? I guess your logic and reason have never considered that E and m will both changeso as to keep c constant? Instead of just makng claims again, why not show math showing how mu naught and epsilon zero change through a frame transform. Maybe, as with E and m , they also change so as to keep c constant.

And would you have made the jump to 'waves of time' if your orientation of Fibonacci numbers didn't look like a clock ? That's the difference between Physics and numerology; seeing patterns where none exist, or are not causal.

It seems even our analogies misinterpret each other's positions, Charony. As I previously posted, when I refer to my friends, I don't qualify them by skin color. I don't qualify them by religion.I don't qualify them by gender or by sexual orientation. I don't have Jamaican or brown friends, nor Hindu or Muslim friends, nor gay friends ( that is their business, not mine ), nor girl friends ( a little too old for that ). They are simply my friends. ( think how demeaning it would be to introduce one of them to someone as "my black friend" ) That is where racism ends; when people are simply people. Maybe we can't get there overnight, but that doesn't mean we should give up and not even try. As INow is fond of saying, 'adequate' is on the path to 'good'. And we have to start somewhere ...

This is a discussion forum, and while we may point out problems we see with a particular theory, we don't necessarily validate or falsify that theory. Submit it for publication, and experts in that field will do that.

OK. Now we know who doesn't read others' posts. Only once you take away individual thinking. Is that where you want to go ? Go help INow erect some barns, would you ? He doesn't seem to want my help.

You're becoming very cynical in old age 😃 . You really should 'lighten up' a little.

The American solution to a problem is more of the same. The problem is only two political parties ? The solution is to 'reduce' it to one only. What could possibly go wrong ?

This mght actually belong to the thread on racism reparations ( formely racist whiteboards ), but if you want another way to mitigate racism ( and fascism ) in the US, you could start by putting the biggest enablrer, former President D Trump, in jail, until he dies a quiet, forgotten death.

Thank you, we finally sem to be agreeing on something. But isn't that what Jez suggested many pages ago ? That reparations should be given to all who suffered past injustices and handled through the courts. But the response to him was that he was wasting time, because he really didn't want to allow reparations to be given to America's black slave descendants. Why did you assume the converse, TheVat ?

Then why not simply say you are in favor of reparations to all who have suffered injustices in the past ( as we have been saying ), and not a system that awards reparations based on race, and which may discrminate against some groups equally impacted ?

The link between energy and information is very real. All energy is information; so is matter, and everything else that makes up our universe. One of the newest theories has all of the contents of our 4D space-time encoded on the 3D surface of that space-time. One might say "the writing is on the wall" sort of thing. See the Holographic Prrinciple. But again, how do you make the leap from Fibonacci series to clocks and to waves of time ?

I said the set may not be the same. It could be smaller if some black people had not suffered past injustices, or it could be larger if other groups had suffered past injustices also. Why are you so ready to compensate one group for being unfairly treated in the past, but willing to discriminate against any other groups that were also unfairly treated ? Do you not see how that could be considered a racist attitude ? That is why we believe ithe criteria for compensation should be injustice suffered, not race.

Those are deep philosophical questions, but not related to Physics. "What is reality?" We don't know. We build models to 'simulate' the way reality acts. If there's even an underlying actual reality; QM tells us there is no local reality. "Do we live in a simulated universe?" Modern games populate a world/landscape only when the player looks in that direction. Similarly in QM, the wavefunction only collapses when observed/interacted, to yield real results. An uncollapsed wave function is just probability amlitudes in a mathematical limbo. But since we cannot step out of 'reality', we can never tell if we are in a simulation or not, so the whole thought experiment is academic. And I still don't see how this relates to Fbonacci series, clocks and 'waves' of time.

Just in case you missed it every other time I've posted it ... 'Better' is subjective !

Stringy has provided another good idea for mitigating racism. Also, Canada, a nation of 38 Million people, brought in over one Million immigrants last year. How many did the US, a nation with almost 10 times as many people, let in ? At every turn we are accused of not wanting to offer compensation to those who were treated unjustly. On the contrary, we are all for compensating those who have suffered injustices, and many times, that is the same set as those black people who were racially discriminated, but sometimes, it is not. So we are against using race as a criteria. But I have to ask. Whenever we mention/suggest steps that the US could take to mitigate racism and its current effects, we are told "It is unworkable" "It is impossible" "There's no use even trying" Are you guys, then, happy with the status quo ? Do you think racism is an essential part of your America ? ( we've had those questions about reparations put to us for the last 15 pages )