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A sad,embarrassing day for America, having a former President go to jail. But if anyone deserves it, D Trump surely does. Besides, the orange jumpsuit will co-ordinate with the hair.

What exactly, sis I miss ? You implied Jez cannot possibly understand the situation because he never experienced injustices, Yet you have no idea whether Jez had a difficult upbringing, or even if he is a visible minority. You just jumped to conclusions based on your misinterpreting of his posts. From your posting history I get the impression that you hold all of society responsible for your growing up poor, yet you are satisfied with your lot in life, and certainly aren't helping yourself. Try not to be so judgmental of others lest you be similarly judged.

Way to hold others to different standards than yourself. When have you been a victim of the 'system' in the context of this thread ????

So much for the 'explanation'.

I believe he just did So, what's tripping you up ?

Very simply, CharonY, the power imbalance is built into the 'racial' caste system, with some actually having no opportunity at all. "Those at the bottom of the hierarchy, who fall outside the four main categories of Brahmins (priests and teachers), Kshatriyas (warriors and rulers), Vaishyas (traders and merchants) and the Shudras (laborers), are considered “untouchables” or Dalits."

I work with a few Indian engineers, and they are the first to admit India is a very racist society. There was very little power inbalance in the 50s, when the British left, yet there was the 'caste' system in their society that controlled social position. It has led to the current imbalance, as only people of higher caste can become politicians, get advanced schooling, etc. So which do you think comes first ?

This is a science site not a 'beliefs' site. Furthermore, I don't like your attitude. Ignoring people whose ideas distress your sensibilities, suggests you are only interested in preaching your own ideas to the rest of us. That's not what we do here, either. I, and hopefully others, will ignore your posts and questions until you learn basic respect for others' deas and opinions.

No, there are no hidden variables either.

Agree with most of your post except this Power imbalance is a factor, but the larger factor is the inherent racism. Both need to be there to create the different outcome situation of the two populations. Power imbalance is something people work at. They try to better themselves by working harder, to get more money, which in a semi-capitalist society equates to more power. Racism, however, is based on the lottery of birth. You are born with a different skin color, or in another country, and there's nothing you can do to change it. I would think, then, that the factor to be eliminated is racism. But nobody wants to discuss that option.

There is no local reality between interactions that collapse the wave function. Furthermore, there is no non-locality, where any information is tranferred superluminally. Numerous experiments have shown this, and we recently had a very long thread on the subject. I would think someone who professes to have a workable 'theory of everything' would know this.

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No. As usual, your posts make little sense. Makes for a great discussion when you ignore, and won't even consider, alternate viewpoints. Just put me, and Intoscience in ( Stringy too ? ) the ignore list also, and racism in America will be no more. You've never done root cause analysis, have you ?

I give up ! You guys take an analogy meant to simplify things and ease understanding, and make it more complicated than the reality of the situation. Its really not that complicated. Racism exists. The longer it is allowed to go on unchecked, the more people will suffer injustices for which they will need reparations. If you first stop the injustices from happening, you only have to worry about reparations for past injustices. If you first compensate for past injustices, you still have to worry about on-going and future injustices, because you haven't attempted to 'fix' the root cause.

Going back to the example I gave INow 3 hours ago, about the water leak in the basement making your rug have a worse outcome than the rest of your house furnishings, you seem to want to replace the rug with a new one, so it is just as nice as the rest of the furnishings, without first fixing the water leak. Racism is the water leak that produced the bad outcome for the rug, who are black people.( don't 'read ' anything into my analogy choices ) What prevents the same thing from happening again ? Or to anothe piece of furniture ( other group of people ) ? I gave a partial list of suggestions to Phi, which would immediately make things 90% mor fair, and approach Canada and Europe. But all I hear is "It's too hard" "It's bound to fail" So you've given up even trying ...

Before you take sides, look back at the interactions we have had in the last couple of pages. It wasn't me that started it with the patronizing attitude and arguing in bad faith. And no, I haven't run out of arguments; I'm still posting, and realize that a hot topic that people are passionate about, is bound to ruffle some feathers. If he chooses to 'take his ball and go home', that's on him; he's run out of arguments.

tap ... tap - tap-tap ...tap ...tap-tap-tap ... Do you hear that, Mr Anderson ? That is the sound of Logicandreason tap dancing as fast as he can, to avoid answering questions. There is no 'teaching moment' here. Stop giving his arguments air, and he'll go away and bother others.

This is just another semantic attempt to justify your excuses, how can it be imaginary, it's there in black and white; Yet if I said there's only males nd females, where the differences are much more pronounced, you, and others would be all over me. And it has happened. Do you have a clue about consistent arguments, or do you just throw 'stuff' at the wall and see what sticks ?

Who said 'merely stopping' ? But it should be the first step, as was explained to Phi yesterday. If you have a problem in your house, such as a water leak in the basement, that ruined your rug by making it moldy and stinky, is your first step to replace the rug so that it matches the rest of the nice decor, or do you fix the root problem first; the water leak that caused the 'injustice' to your rug ? You see, there's that intelligence at work ... Yeah, that's not going to happen. If you sling mud at others, then complain when it occasionally gets lobbed back your way, you should grow thicker skin. Last I checked, this was my OP, and I have the right to respond to anyone posting in this thread. If you want to be left alone, you can choose not to participate. ( I would much prefer you grow up, take some responsibility, and continue posting )

'That's right. It's all my fault. You were right all along and I just wanted to make it personal, while you and others were simply trying to discuss the topic. I'm so ashamed.' Sound familiar ( and condescending ) ? I thought it was obvious. ( nothing to do with being 'hard', INow; get your mind out of the gutter )

How about good laws that punish injustices when they happen,not try to fix them 200 years later ? How about a Constitution that enshrines human rights for ALL States, not the mix-match of different laws and rights for different States ? How about an impartial Supreme Court that doesn't do the bidding of the party that appointed them ? Need I go on ? Other countries have things like this. Also gun control and Universal Health care. Why must the most advanced country in the orld be the most backward in some respects ?

How is that working out ??? The first step, before redress of any prior injustices, is ending racism, Phi. It doesn't make sense, to me, that the mechanism used for mitigating the consequences of those past wrongs, uses racism. Just my opinion. If you want to call that 'doing nothing', then you're not serious about this topic. And after you all accuse me, and others, of wanting to do nothing, Zap acts all butt-hurt, when called out on it. ( I'm sure you can tell, but I don't give neg reps,Phi )

Back to the OP. In the 70s S Hawking proposed Hoola's mechanism as the source of Hawking Radiation, but it was found to violate a QM rule about information loss. Not transfer, mind you, but loss of information about states of infalling particles, which is certainly a 'measure' of entanglement. "It is now generally believed that information is preserved in black-hole evaporation.[5][6] This means that the predictions of quantum mechanics are correct whereas Hawking's original argument that relied on general relativity must be corrected. However, views differ as to how, precisely, Hawking's calculation should be corrected.[5][6][7][8] In recent years, several extensions of the original paradox have been explored. Taken together these puzzles about black hole evaporation have implications for how gravity and quantum mechanics must be combined, leading to the information paradox remaining an active field of research within quantum gravity." See here Black hole information paradox - Wikipedia

That would have to be 'Silicon Shield', CharonY. They don't make breast implants 😄 .

That is a problem with 'idealists'; they are so convinced they are right, they won't even consider alternate viewpoints worthy of discussion. If you don't agree with their method, then obviously you want to do nothing, right Phi ? That seems funny, as most of you guys arguing this are American, where the problem is most acute. Hello ?!? Whatever you're doing ( if anything ) is not working. If You don't agree with them , they resort to thinly veiled name-calling. And, whether right or wrong, this accusation has been levelled at you many times before, has it not, INow ? Might be time to change your posting style, before people start thinking that where ther is smoke ( everywhere today ) there is fire. If you don't agree with them, they immediately jump to extremes. Voter apathy is at an all time high, even after 4 years of the most abysmal Presidency voters have ever, of D Trump. Voting against a bad system is everyone's obligation, yet Zap says MisterMack is 'victim blaming'. Do you guys want to have this discussion or not ? Because if you simply want converts to your ideology, no discussion is required.