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I see. There is nothing arbitrary about vertical fairness, or horizontal fairness. You can even assign a 'degree' of difference between the two. You are just one step away from a mathematical relationship bettween angle and 'fairness'. And I was asking Phi for elaboration, not your 'interpretation'. I guess that includes you; but I suggest you speak for yourself. And I tought that's what I was doing by politely asking some members not to paint a group with the same broad brush. Not calling anyone a shitheaad; but some of their behaviour ...

Would be interesting to know if any of the people you've banned over the years, took part in the mentioned study, Swansont 😄 .

We seem to be discussing two different issues. In one case a substance is injested/absorbed/inhaled that produces a type of response which harms the system, and causes inflammation or outright cell/system death. It is a 'poison' to the cells/system. In the other case, you have essentially a harmless substance, that is injested/absorbed/inhaled, and which causes an unwanted over-reaction by the immune system. Typical would be pollen and the overproduction of hystamines by the system. ( some, like bee stings, would involve both reactions )

I would be careful in saying 'some men' and not simply 'men', implying all, and in which case you'd be proving Greg A right, with your gender bias. If I made disparaging comments about women, as some have about men, or a cultural group like Middle Easterners, without stipulating that it is a small subset, I'm sure the usual suspects would be handing out demerit points like Halloween candy. Just saying ... BTW, Phi, you really seem attached to this vertical hierarchy vs. horizontal group of equals. I think what is important is not the arbitrary direction that you assign to it, rather, the inherent fairness and equity. A fair monarchy is more desirable than a Marxist Politburo. ( but maybe I'm still not understanding you properly ) Further to Swansont's comments, some are so rich , they can go into orbit in their own rockets in vain attempts to outdo each other ...

All very true INow. Those methods are regularly used by the 'right' in your country. However, the ''left' are not beyond reproach, and do need to shoulder some responsibility when they screw up. No matter how much you want to bend over backwards to excuse their behaviour, because it is nowhere near as bad as the 'right'. Maybe I should quote your line back to you when you next blame the 'right' for all the problems in your country that are actually caused by extreme political polarization.

To be fair, most people don't know what they don't know. ( do I sound like D Rumsfeld ? 😀 ) It is when they insist that their limited knowledge some how gives them greater insight, as if the ones who actually do have knowledge have been brainwashed, that the problems begin.

Pssst ... I think he's an incel ...

He'll probably just take his clown show to the next forum, and give them a headache.

Then why would you write something so wrong as 'conservation of mechanical energy' ??? Energy ( of all forms, even mass ) is conserved locally; not globally.

While genetic programming is 'hardwired', and affects populations because it is passed on from one generation to the next, the immune system works on a 'learned response', and why allergies come and go with age, change severity, and are not passed on.

You should learn some first ...

Absolutely. You don't seem like the kind of person I'd want to get to know any better.

I don't think anyone has, as there is no such thing. Quit wasting forum bandwith with idiocy.

Can we ban this jackass already. I'm getting tired of the idiocy.

Diidn't know you were of Russian descent, Peterkin.

It seems you know how aliens think, judging by the examples you gave. I presume you've been abducted by them, and had many anal probings ...

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Can't really comment on how string theory treats the Big Bang, but LQG does make predictions that the Big Bang is actually a 'Big Bounce' from a previous inflationary/collapsing phase. You can google that. What you can't google is the simplistic view of LQG as a box of Cheerios, and the incredulity that that box of Cheerios can expand. So, again, we have observational evidence and a workable model. You have a box of Cheerios, and ... ??? ( hopefully, some milk )

Then why do you confuse him with ALL conservatives. As a matter of fact D Trump, in his last Presidential bid in 2000 ran as a Reformer, before switching to Democrat the following year. He is an opportunist, who does things for personal benefit, as is V Orban. The group of mostly idiots who make up the Republican party are not comparable to most other conservatives in other countries. Knowing that they could be easily manipulated, Trump took advantage of them and their base, for his own benefit; the few sane Republicans that are left, all hate D Trump with a passion. I expect that if the Hungarian people don't get rid of V Orban, the EU will soon lose patience with them, and cut them loose. There are certain standards to be met for joining, and those standards must be maintained to stay.

I'm sorry Phi. If I'm stuck in an elevator with a science forum administrator, and a woman in a wheelchair, who used to be an elevator repair person, I will rank the woman in a wheelchair's advice higher than the forum administrator's. Is that vertical, horizontal, or upside dowwn and sideways morality ?

Fighting against Globalization of economies and governance is not a 'conservative' agenda, Peterkin; no matter how much you want to villify those you consider 'conservatives' with it. It is an opinion that Orban and Trump seem to share. You seem to forget that a huge step towards globalization, the North American Free Trade Agreement ( NAFTA ) was implemented by two conservative politicians, R Reagan and B Mulroney. Bat-shit crazy is ignoring facts, and basing opinion on personal 'beliefs'.

It was a good experiment Phi. Trying to figure out how a deluded mind works. But Greg's last couple of posts, talking about how things have already happened in the future, and gender wars, have veered into bat-shit crazy territory.

Science has observational evidence for all its claims. What do you have, Glancer ????

So you rank your 'horizontal' morality higher than those who have a 'vertical' morality ? have you substituted the hierarchy of 'vertical' morality with varying angles from you ideal 'angle' of morality ? All morality is subjective. Assigning subjective orientations to abstract concepts doesn't get anyone anywhere. But it may make you feel better, or superior to others, with subjective ideas of morality. Not meant as a personal attack, Phi, but this is like saying "The way I love my family is better than the way you love yours". You are assigning a subjective quality to an abstract subjective concept.

Neither. I would argue the honor goes to Physicist Robert Noyce who pioneered the monolithic silicon integrated circuit in 1959. He founded Fairchild Semiconductor, and along with Gordon Moore, founded Intel. Robert Noyce - Wikipedia Honorable mention should also go to Jack Kilby, electrical engineer, developer of the first hybrid germanium IC at Texas Instruments in the late 50s ( and Nobel Prize for Physics in 2000 ). They are arguably the fathers of modern computing, as we know it.