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Absolutely right. So why are doctors recommending puberty blockers and gender reassignment much mor often in LA than in Cincinnati ? About a century ago, in Canada, politicians, doctors, and the Clergy did what they thought was best for indigenous kids. They took them from their family and Tribe, and put them in Residential schools. The thinking was that they would integrate better with society. That was social engineering, and it failed miserably. Now we are doing the same with the gender of our kids. I sure hope this version of social engineering works out bettter. So should I ignore my concerns, and problems I see with society,because of others' unscrupulous use ? Sould Swansont not have gotten a degree in Physics because unscrupulous people may use any knowledge gained through his research, to build more efficient atomic weapons ?

Do you have any evidence to support that it does as if you had not taken the blockers ? You made that claim originally, I just questioned it. You require the evidence, and without such, I am allowed to question it.

Pro-choice and pro-life are not incompatible. My interpretation of pro-choice is simply that everyone has the right to choose what is best for themselves, or their morals/ethics. If you are for, or against, abortion, that is your choice to make for yourself, not to impose on others. But can we get back to Alito's draft proposal, and how it will affect state laws in the US ? I'm not sure, maybe JC or Peterkin have a clearer understanding of Canadian abortion laws, but it is my understanding that we have no 'concrete' laws either, just a 'gentleman's agreement' between our political parties that the issue of abortion will not be brought up. So far, it seems to have worked, but maybe we need some legislation, or a Charter 'amendment' to fix things in place before we also get into the situation the US finds itself in.

Please insert the words 'think they' between 'they' and 'are'. Who exactly is this 'freedom crowd' ? And since you include the knowledgeable, accepting and reasonable crowd at SFN, what legislation are we trying to introduce ? An 8 year old will want ice cream for breakfast, lunch and dinner; will a 'responsible' parent say"My child's feelings will be hurt if I don't give him/her ice cream for breakfast, lunch and dinner, every day, because that 8 year old knows what is best for him/her.",. Is that what you did when raising your kids ? Somehow I doubt it. Or maybe we actually ARE concerned about the effect it will have on female professional sports. Why are youu always willing to misconstrue others' opinions when they clash with yours. Is what is typed not good enough that you need to interpret according to your own biases ? Another example ... Sometimes life is unfair. Sometimes people lose an eye, have no depth perception, and can't play baseball worth a sh*t anymore. Sometimes they have a car accident and become paralized, and can't play any sports. Sometimes reality sucks, is offensive, and keeps you from doing the things you want to do. But to say those are attempts to 'whip up tribalism', blame these unfortunate people for all sorts of things, and send them to the gas ovens ( like the Jews ), is again misconstruing my posts, and way 'over the top' sensationalist. And of course these puberty blockers are 100 % reversible ? Or does the very fact that puberty is delayed contribute to an irreversible development of the child, making them that much more confused about their gender as they approach adulthood ? I think places like Texas are wrong to bring in banning legislation; this is a decision to be made by doctor and parent as to what is best for the child. But see the Bill Maher video clip I posted earlier; why are more kids ( and parents and doctors ) more likely to have children undergo these therapies in California as opposed to Ohio ? Is it something in the water ? Or is it 'trendy' in certain 'liberal' areas ? ( at the same time keeping in mind that it is much more acceptable, and less stigmatized in some areas than in others ) That used to be called 'confusion' about what you are. Now the condition has a fancy, trendy, name.

Sure. Lets base kids physical and mental health on an emotional response, instead of a rational one.

Mass-energy equivalence. Google that after you google Noether's Theorem.

At the age of 8 or 9 ? If you ask most kids what they want to be when they grow up most will say an astronaut or a princess. And if they actually knew, the world would be full of astronauts and princesses. This is a science forum; lets try to be a little more scientific in our analysis.

There is no such thing as a law of conservation of matter. There is a law of conservation of energy, which holds llocally, but not globally. It is a consequence of continuous time translation symmetry; see Noether's Theorem for details. This provides the clue as to why energy conservation does not hold at t=0, the moment the Big Bang initiated. Since all geodesics that make up space-time geometry initiate at t=0, time only has the forward direction, and there is no symmetry at that point, somewhat like the lines of longitude that cannot extend north of the north pole.

This is almost ridiculous ... Gravity affects light, forcing it to travel along geodesics, and reducing/increasing its wavelength when moving radially, but it does NOT affect photons in a way that is predictable. Gravity and its model, GR, along with EM waves, are classical models. Photons, on the other hand, are quantum mechanically modelled. The two are currently incompatible, and often confused.

It is about turkey/chicken eggs, not human 'eggs', but I found this interesting, so I thought I would share Parthenogenesis: Embryonic development in unfertilized eggs may impact normal fertilization and embryonic mortality | The Poultry Site I'm not sure human 'eggs' can do the same, but I definitely know sperm cannot. You never know if you 'do', until you 'try' first. ( sorry Zap, attributed that quote to you; it should be MSC )

whole idea of 'pro-choice', is that everyone has their core beliefs. I may be against abortion, personally, and would never urge my wife/girlfriend to abort a child, but I only make that decision for myself; everyone else has the right to decide for themselves also, and they may want to abort their pregnancy, for whatever reason is important to them, People have the right to be 'virtuous' or 'hypocritical' in their beliefs and values, which means that MSC and TheVat are consistent in their reasoning, and so is Zapatos in his. Trying to force your beliefs of what 'pro-life' means on others, is not 'pro-choice'.

Come on, INow ... When this thread started concentrating on professional athletes in sports, you said you wanted to discuss trans kids being legislated out of recreational sports. You then started another thread to concentrate on that issue so that this one could remain about competitive professional sports, and the inclusion of trans ( all 6 of them ) athletes in various divisions of the sports. Now you want to concentrate this thread also on the same subject as the other thread you opened. We already have one; why not post your concerns about trans kids recreational sports involvement there ?

Here you are; dishing out advice, yet you can't even fry up some eggs ... 🙂 😃 😆 I consider Koti a good friend, but I don't believe anybody's standards should be based on Hollywood celebrity types. Cut him some slack, his bitterness is related to past life experiences.

Not saying that men don't get abused. But this trial, along with the many judicial, as well as courtroom irregularities, was simply a popularity contest. JD's defense was mostly "I blacked out drunk I don't remember what I did I apologized for what I did I did not do any of the things Im accused of" The trial will be appealed, and the verdict will no doubt change. And They'll both come off looking like even bigger idiots.

Wow ... still ? People need to wrap their heads around a simple fact. Professional sports are spectator and TV rights driven. That is what pays the bills, provides the salaries/sponsorships, and the fan 'adoration'. And people will watch what they want to watch, no matter what rules you impose, until they perceive unfairness, or a rigging of results ( and sometimes not if it's the WWE ). Nobody will watch chicken races because horses get abused by the jockeys in horse racing; if there was a market they would have done it already. Similarly, more people watch the women's American national soccer team than the men's; that is the market deciding. Tiger Woods is still one of the most watched golfers in the world; what has he won lately ? You can make 'inclusive' rules for trans women to compete with cis women, but I get the impression that people ( society ) perceive it as unfair, and will choose not to watch. That is not an age thing; a lot of people in the next couple of generations also perceive the unfairness to cis women. And what happens to those women's sports ( like weightlifting, swimming, track, etc ) then ? Knock yourselves out; make all the rules you want. People will vote their approval/disapproval with tticket buys, their TV remote, or their mouse/touchpad.

Can criminal charges be be brought at a Congressional Hearing, and associated jail time ( or execution for treason ) ? If not, I don't expect any change from the principal players. They will simply claim they were prosecuted onfairly by the 'criminal' oppposition, again as in past attempted impeachments, and their followers will believe them, again. Who was that black comedian whose punch line was "These people need to go to jail" ? Say what you will about the Cheneys and their political legacy, but at least Liz is willing to put her political carreer at risk, in order to do the right thing. Mike Pence, not so much ... Opinion: Mike Pence, come to your senses (msn.com)

Maybe so. Shall we compare causes, histories, justifications and methods? So, because their cause is not important enough to you, maybe they shouldn't be allowed ? Yes, that is much to be desired. ... and you didn't actually mean this ?

None of which precludes their right to protest, just as other groups have done, and continue to do. What's good for the goose ...

It is not a matter of correcting errors with the theory, but that the theory itself is rubbish. The two basic premises are nonsensical. -You cannot consider the frame of the whole universe, as opposed to a local frame, to suggest that everything is shrinking, as opposed to the universe expanding, because no such frame exists or is possible. -The universe does not expand, nor can its contents shrink, linearly. Expansion is only evident at scales where gravitational attraction is trivial ( and the Cosmological constant can dominate ), so shrinking must only happen where gravitational attraction exceeds a threshold ( galactic cluster scales ). How would you explain this relationship ? Is the shrinking related to gravity ???

The active words being 'made by life on Earth'. We have no idea what chemical processes may have spawned intelligent life elsewhere, because we only have the one data point ( Earth ) to go by

Yeah, your biases are showing. Sure, but when natives block main roads in Caledonia, muliple times over the last 15-20 years and keep the people who live there from going about their normal lives, shopping, working, sleeping, that is OK ? And yes, sometimes those natives are armed; truckers were not Grand River land dispute - Wikipedia A truly progressive society gives even the people they don't agree with,the right tospeak their opinion, and protest. Not just the ones they agree with.

Difference is, even our nutters are polite and well behaved. The Freedom Convoy was basically an excuse to have a party in Ottawa after a year and a half of lock-downs. Until the Government went Gestapo on them. In the US, the nutters would have been armed, and not so well behaved.

"What would happen to our society, if we live for a millenia?" We'd get bored ...

This is an extremely serious subject, which needs to be dealt with. But this discussion needs some humor ...

We all have ideological agendas. Mine being the desire to see Russia humiliated militarily, no matter what the cost in Ukrainian lives. But I don't pretend to tell the Ukrainians they should give up their lives for freedom ( and Russian humiliation ); that is their choice to make. Similarly, the US has two ideologically opposed ( political ) agendas, and you can claim yours is the sane one all you want; it is not to them. I am suggesting that stubbornly sticking to those ideological agendas, on both sides, is being paid for by the lives of your children. About a dozen per one school, every few weeks. JC, Peterkin and I are 'outsiders', we can only point out what we see. The choice is yours to make.