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even if the li could replace the k?

oh, right. sorry, it's early. still, pretending the replacement would work, do you think this would work dry?

(this acid is conc HCl btw)

if i did this in a concentrated acid would i get a hydride?

good call. thanks

^those probably are the most important words of my post

ok, just to get this straight i'm not trying to make thorium metal. thanks anyway. so, pretending that lithium replaces potassium, would this work? -dissolve KCl in H2O -add lithium metal to solution -recover metal evolved

alright, since i can't seem to convince you here's my proposal: if you help me out with a procedure for this experiment, i'll do it. let me make mistakes. i'll show you pictures of the reactions when i'm done

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check the links i provided. they all state the "activity series" of metals

first, how do you explain the reaction that took place as stated above? second, have you ever seen an activity series? third, i will find more sources: (note: i will post any sources i find; not just the ones that have Li on top) http://www.unr.edu/sb204/geology/mas.html http://antoine.frostburg.edu/chem/senese/101/redox/faq/activity-series.shtml http://www2.austincc.edu/lgregory/Activity.htm http://www.edu.pe.ca/kish/Grassroots/chem/metalAct.htm http://www.clickandlearn.org/activity_series.htm i could keep listing sources but i think this is enough. again, in all my studies i have never seen anything stating that lithium is less active than K really, search for "metal activity series" online and you will only find that lithium is at the top

eh, sorry to say this but first, here's the activity series according to new york state. i have many more sources also: lithium potassium strontium calcium sodium magnesium aluminum zinc chromium iron cadmium cobalt nickel tin lead hydrogen antimony arsenic bismuth copper mercury silver paladium platinum gold sources: http://www.jesuitnola.com/upload/clark/Refs/solu_act.htm http://www.chem.vt.edu/RVGS/ACT/notes/activity_series.html new york state regents exam reference tables i'm sorry to sound negative; please forgive me if i do, but i am positive that lithium is in fact the most active metal in existence. there are other metals that have lower ionization energies, less electronegativity, and have generally more metallic properties than lithium but lithium still is the most active metal due to its small atomic radius. and hey, evidence backs me up; K from KNO3 is replaced by Li. again, the reaction is: Li+KNO3->K+LiNO3 the kid did the water test and found that the metal he produced reacted with H2O by producing a purplish smoke and a more vigorous reaction than Li would with H2O. i know that lithium doesn't replace halogens. lithium replaces metals. example: KCl+Li->K+LiCl works the same as the reaction stated above except the anion is different. still works though

thanks, yt. i'll look for that KCl source. you said that lithium will not displace potassium. lithium is the most active element in existence. i just read a (nonfiction) book which states that some kid purified ThO2 (from lantern mantles) with some Li he obtained from shoplifted Li batteries. the reaction was: ThO2+Li -> LiO2+Th before doing this to his precious source of Th, he tried this type of experiment on KNO3. KNO3+Li ->LiNO3+K i also know that lithium replaces bromiddes, chlorides, nitrates and dioxides among other anions. can you help me out with a procedure?

NaCl --H2O->NaCl(aq) another way of stating this is: NaCl+H2O->Na+(aq) + Cl-(aq) the physical properties of the NaCl have changed, of course since it is dissolved. the chemical properties have changed as well considering wet reactions tend to be faster than dry reactions

actually i am not looking for KClO3. i thought i had heard of something containing KCl and you refreshed my memory. thanks for your help, all. so, can anybody answer my latter questions? i'll restate: can anybody here tell me how much lithium i could obtain from one lithium battery? can anybody tell me how i could do the replacement reaction that follows? KCl+Li->K + LiCl

where they apply to logic? it makes sense that there is an equilibrium for a reaction; eventually the variables in a system favor the reverse reaction enough to equally counter the forward reaction.

decomposition is just the reverse synthesis. we all know that Na+Cl->NaCl that is the synthesis. it also goes in reverse; NaCl->Na+Cl as for your example, i do not believe that that is a working reaction; Ca is much more active than H2, and it certainly has strong intermolecular forces.

first, can anybody tell me where i can obtain KCl without a perscription? secondly, can anybody here tell me how much lithium i could obtain from one lithium battery? thirdly, can anybody tell me how i could do the replacement reaction that follows? KCl+Li->K + LiCl

actually, when in an aqueous solution, NaCl does not react unless you add some other chemical that would react with NaCl. you see, the bonds between H and O are strong, so the Cl- will not replace the O and the Na+ will not replace the H. despite this, Van Der Waal's forces still do act, and as a result, the NaCl(s) is broken down to form Na+ and Cl- aqueous ions. that is as far as the reaction goes, however. i suppose one could think of it as being similar to a decomposition reaction.

equilibrium is used to describe the dynamic state one achieves when the forward and reverse reactions occur at the same rate, as stated above. an example is a saturated solution of a polar/ionic solute in a polar solvent; the forward reaction (the one dissolving) is going at the same rate as the reverse reaction (the one taking the parts out of solution). because of this, if you add more solute, it will be impossible to dissolve more since this will shift the equilibrium.

the chinese tortured people by slowly dripping water on their heads btw

hah, i'd like to see what would happen to you if you were awake for weeks on end

torture is unacceptable in any situation

actually, after reading the radioactive boyscout i found that it is possible to obtain significant amounts of americium-241 if you look hard enough for smoke detectors. what's more disturbing is the fact that david hahn was able to make fissionable uranium 233, and how (more or less) easy it was to do so. after ordering uraninite ore and pitchblende from a czech company and failing to dissolve the crushed uranium powder in solution of nitric and sulfuric acids, hahn decided to use thorium-232. he found dozens of lantern mantles and took off the thorium dioxide. next he shoplifted hundreds of lithium batteries, took out the lithium pieces and stored them in a jar filled with oil. he then did a replacement reaction where he oxidized the lithium and reduced the thorium dioxide. yes, folks, david hahn had purified thorium metal. what's more, he created a neutron gun first by using americium-241, a beta emitter and aluminum. he then realized that wasn't enough and obtained beryllium from a friend who worked at a laboratory. one day he found an antiques store, brought his geiger counter and noticed that it went off the wall when he put it near a particular clock. in the clock he found radium paint in a glass jar, used to paint the face of the clock in order to make it glow. then he molded lead around this Be and Ra-226 and poked a hole in it so that the neutrons could escape. he obtained gun sights, opened them and drained the tritium in order to slow down the neutron. he then set up his reactor by placing many strips of thorium in the path of the neutron gun. the thorium-232 absorbed a neutron to become thorium-233, which yields beta particles and becomes uranium-233.

eh pretend that second propane structure actually worked...