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and if i were not working with amphetamines, what then? again, im not making mdma or meth. there still are lysergides to experiment with, as well as other stimulants. i still have the problem of what derivatives i could produce, but again i ask for suggestions of other drugs i could test, as well as a means for removing the hydrocyanic acid from morning glory seeds

"What you want to do is not completely safe and if some very special idiot will know of you, you may get into (hopefully minor) trouble. You do not need to do anything illegal to get special attention of authorities. They have right to investigate. If you are not ready for this, then better do not do any reactions with nearly illegal drugs. Only test them as you bought them from legal supply not doing any conversions yourself." while i appreciate your concern, i am well aware of the potential dangers of lab work, but it's not like i'll be doing birch reductions on pseudoephedrine. i have much experience working with "dangerous" chemicals and have been exposed to my share of acrid gases, oxidative phosphorylase inhibitors, etc and yes, i have burned myself on multiple occasions. for my purchases i wouldnt be entirely surprised if the feds had files on me. im not a bee, that i promise you. in fact, ive never made explosives, unless you call isolation of a few oxidizers explosive manufacture. ive never made bombs, drugs, etc and i have only used some acrid gases in reactions. i know the feds have the right to investigate, but it isnt a problem. all my alterations i'll discuss with my teacher beforehand, and i wont be breaking any laws. so while i thank you for your input, my question remains; what derivatives can i make legally?

you could do a thermite to get manganese, yes, but i wouldnt suggest you use Mg, as it's pretty expensive. Al works a charm

for my bio final project, i'm testing the effects of certain drugs on receptors in daphnia. i want to see what various alterations to these drugs do to the daphnia, although i have to be careful with what i do, as some things are legal and others are not. take for example ephedrine, which i want to test. if i were to reduce it, i would be working with crystal meth, which is illegal and wont fly with my teacher. im allowed to use otc drugs and natural plants, such as morning glory seeds (for small amounts of lsa) so long as i dont perform extractions on the plants. this also raises the question of the cyanogenic glycosides, as the aglycone component hydrolyzes to form hydrocyanic acid and benzaldehyde, the former of which would kill the daphnia. so that reminds me, i need to figure out how to remove the HCN without extracting the lsa. anyway, i want to make derivitives of various drugs, like ephedrine, among others, that are legal, so i can test the effects. so far, my list consists of: -ephedrine -pseudoephedrine -lsa -nitrous oxide -diethyl ether -caffeine can anyone suggest legal derivatives i could make? as well, does anyone have suggestions for other legal otc drugs i could use?

well yt, it's much more likely for phosphorus oxides to be produced than phosphine in the atmosphere

it requires very high temperatures, more likely around 1500+ than not. CO2 works, as does N2 or a noble gas.

i do not believe this would work anyway. first, you would get CO, now CO2. second, there would be no reason for Na2O to form, as the oxygen-phosphorus bond is quite strong. on the other hand: Na3PO4+C+SiO2 ---> P4 +CO+Na2SiO3

h2so4, that isnt necessarily true. it's not the potential so much as it is the rapidity of the reaction that is important in defining reactivity. indirectly, you are right, akcapr. it basically involves the electrostatic forces involved. consider the charge of a nucleus, the amount of protons, the atomic radius, etc

we really need an organic chemistry forum. orgo is quite possibly the most relevant science in today's world (think medicine, genetic engineering, plastics, and thats just the beginning) and we're missing out by not having an orgo forum to discuss such topics in. the chem forums is already overrun with new posts daily, with a huge range of topics. i suggest we eliminate this clutter by creating an organic chemistry forum

see, i have a thing for materials. i can look at things and tell you what they are composed of. i found this out one time when in a competition and running low on time i identified metal samples as magnesium, chromium, aluminum and copper, without knowing anything about the samples prior. have you seen rubidium with water? i can tell the difference between Rb+H2O and Cs+H2O quite clearly, although most others that i have consulted cannot. also, unrelated, im interested to see barium and water.

...which is why i would like to see this in one of those 1000+ fps cameras... there is a significant difference. plus you can measure with different devices. for example, which can blow through ______ more effectively

if i were to spend so much money on cesium with the intent to oxidize it rapidly, i would try to do it with pentafluoroantimonic acid or something of the sort

cesium+h2o really isnt that impressive. potassium and, say, 15M nitric acid would be far more impressive and far cheaper

you have two secondary amines, two carbonyl groups, two phenyl groups and dont forget the fact that there is the alkene bond

very insightful. i am completely sure that drug production is currently enough to fit the demand without driving prices absurdly low. there is by no means a shortage, and never can or will be one.

haha, yeah im sorry. they arent mentioned above, but ive heard of orange as well as blue phosphorus, both of which are incredibly rare and poorly documented

(see my image, already posted) 1] High vapor pressure at room temperatures, [2] heat at 540 C, [3] heat at 550 C, [4] heat at 600 C, [5] heat at 125 C, [6] heat at 400 C, [7] heat at 550 C, [8] heat at 300 C at 8000 atm, [9] heat at 380 C with Hg or above 250 C at 12 kb, [10] heat at 400 C with Hg for days, [11] heat at 200 C at 12000 atm, [12] heat at 200 C at 15000 atm, [13] heat at 200 C at 12000 atm, [14] reversible trasition 50-100 kb, [15] reversible transition 110 kb, [16] recrystallize from molten Pb, [17] heat a PBr3 solution, [18] reversible transition at 900 C, [19] reversible transition at 1700 C, [20] reversible transition at low pressure, [21] reversible transition at 44.1 C (but can supercool), [22] reversible transition at -77C or +64 under 1200 atm, [23] sublime under vacuum, [24] heat at 220 C at 12 kb, [25] irradiate with UV at -190 C, [26] condensation of P2 vapor at -196 C, [27] heat above -100 C, [28] heat at low pressure, [29] boils at 280 C, [30] heat at 300 C or expose to light or X-rays, [31] melt about 600 C

ah, you got me there. well done

has anybody realized that the war on drugs is completely futile? production doesnt matter; if there is ever a supply shortage, normal people will set up labs. it's very easy to produce many drugs, namely amphetamines, lysergic acid and its derivitives and various alkaloids. so yes, if you catch a few bees, some more will come about. it's such a profitable business that there will be dealers to replace the dead/imprisoned ones. meanwhile, people die not so much because of the drugs, but generally because of impurities and contaminants. so, is it a better idea to sell illegal drugs otc?

no, pierre was hit by a carraige while crossing the pont neuf. but yeah, he was dying from radiation, thats true

cesium would actually burn your flesh off in a few seconds

the heat isnt very expensive. just use an acetylene torch. the apparatus? you can do it effectively with just a car battery and a torch

tr was half a jackass, half a decent guy

flogging molly isnt celtic... oh well

electrolysis of molten chloride or hydroxide isnt expensive. btw, hydroxide is the way to go