astrocat

Actually, Snail, I said the center of the Universe was past the Corona Borealis.

Even so, the possibility remains. But you sound so sure.

Yes, let's examine these 'attributes'. I try to keep the variables to a minimum in examples. Also, I find a ball makes for a good analogy - dropped from your hand to the floor, outside influences won't have much effect. Are you using Sand in Water to represent Matter in the Medium of Space? If so, I often use these very same ingredients to explain some of my points - for example, if you stir this water/sand combo, in a bowl, where does the sand go? Doesn't it Clump Up on the bottom, in the center? In this thread, I am allowed to say the Cosmos is falling into a Black Hole. I estimate we have to fall into about seven Black Holes, starting with the Black Hole at the center of the Galaxy, however many billion years that takes, before we hit the center... And the Gravitational Forces involved are not neccessarily uniform. GR, General Relativity, allows for diffent rates of Time in different Gravitational Situations within the Cosmos - called Gravitational Time Dilation. If your elevator was in free fall, you would be weightless. But you might not notice you werte Speeding Up, unless you could see out, and if you fell fast enough, you might even experience some difficulty breathing. I reralise it's hard. I'm asking you to suspend belief in a lot of what you have been taught, and trust me that I would never willingly lead you astray.

It's only a tendency to expand. That's why, when it lands, this ball will tend to Compact (opposite of Expand) and Compress. Bernoulli said if a fluid Speeds Up, it will Lose Pressure. Now, if a Ball Speeds Up, you can be pretty sure it will tend to Lose Pressure in the same way. Another person, Boyle, said that if it's Losing Pressure, it's Increasing in Volume - Expanding. Correct. The skin would warm slightly. But any falling body will give up Potential Energy (in the form of Heat) and it will Cool Down. When it warms up, is when it hits the floor. Right again... S/T/E\P/ is not pretty. You do, however, admit the falling ball Speeds Up. But Warming too? I doubt it. And Compacting? In mid-air? And Compressing? No, no, it's all mixed up. Are you sure you're not just kidding around?

Well, if you were to provide all the main 'observations', and keep in mind the Laws that govern these 'observations', and arrange them in a way that clearly demonstrated how they inter-relate, yes - that's precisely what I'm looking for - real effects that are generally accepted by mainstream Science. Merely to say, 'the Cosmos is expanding' is leaving out everything else. How can one see any picture in this light? Can we at least reach a concensus on what has been observed? I've told you what I know, now you tell me what you see the Cosmos doing? Please... I don't mean to sound rude, and I hope you don't take offence if I tell you, I don't have any 'repulsive' forces, as they are called, in my theory. Gravitational Forces did it all. Ouch! you see, we have to be grown up about it... I find I always have to warn people, I'm not trying to hurt anyone, or take away anyone's job - but there is no such thing - I'm sorry - as Dark Energy.

And?...And what else? We have to consider everything the Cosmos is doing. Okay, if that's how you feel. I don't have the math - I'll admit that now. But there definitely is a relationship - it's all relative. You must see it all.

I have heard that Mercury always keeps the same side facing Earth. Anybody else heard this?

I agree. I cannot understand how anybody could become involved in Einstein's Cosmological Constant knowing that he, Einstein, later denounced the Cosmological Constant as the greatest blunder of his career. What is going on here? I am suspicious!

It seems to be about mid-way between Aquila and Sextans. That's where the Axis ( one of them) is thought to lie. These 'statements' have to be stated. Part of what I'm trying to show is - just to say 'the Cosmos is Expanding' is not enough, this 'Expansion' must be seen along with all the other things the Cosmos has been found, in the mainstream, to be doing. If we, scientists - amateur or otherwise, look at this 'total package', it should be fairly clear to anybody who has been following this thread, that the Cosmos, is falling. Iam looking for concensus. I want to know if I've missed anything. Is there anything else we know about 'how the Cosmos is behaving'?

And I would say the center of a shere is in the center. Maybe I can't prove it, but I don't think the Cosmos resembles the surface of a sphere. An Axis is something around which a body rotates - Encarta. That sure makes sense to me!

Spyman, any falling object, say a ball, Speeds Up (S/) Cools Down (T\) Expands (E/) and Loses Pressure (P\) Thats S/T\E/P\. Okay? How we know that, is because, when it lands say on a Floor, this ball will Slow Down ands Stop (S\) Warm Up (T/) Compact - opposite of Expand (E\) and Compress (P/) or S\T/E\P/. Okay? 'Falling' S/T\E/P\ and 'Landing' S\T/E\P/ - opposites, but that's to be expected. So how is the Cosmos doing the S/T\E/P\ thing ? Because it's Falling. It's that simple.

Hi, 'w=f[z] Nice to hear from you. The Cosmological Principal has come under fire lately, with the discovery of a Universal Axis. There is other evidence the Cosmos is Whirlpool Shaped. Well, I think we might be living in a finite Universe that definitely does have a center. Can you name something with no center?

I would say, the center of the Universe is somewhere past the Corona Borealis. I think you know where that is. Pretty patterns abound in Nature and can teach us a lot. But what I'm trying to do is to get some concensus here, concerning the behaviour of our Universe. When I say the Cosmos appears to be Speeding Up, Cooling Down, Expanding and Losing Pressure, nobody so far has said I'm wrong.

Now, why don't we just leave my mum out of this, I.A... sorry, had to be said. Everything has a center - I don't know anything that doesn't - and the letters S/T\E/P\, like that, simply describe, in my opinion, what the Cosmos is known to be doing. Are we in agreement so far?

Well, Spyman, I think it's also Speeding Up (S/) and Cooling Down or Losing Temperature (T\) as well as Decompressing (P\). Together with Hubble's Expansion (E/) these letters make a pattern, (S/) (T\) (E/) (P\) or simply S/T\E/P\. Hope you can see that?

Hubble only noticed 1/4 of what the Universe (Cosmos) is doing when he said it was Expanding (E/).

NASA's Cosmic Background Explorer Satellite, COBE, showed, in 1998, that the Early Cosmos started out in a way that was perfectly smooth and evenly distributed, with no sign of any Big Bang, or 'Clumps', anywhere. I don't think you can look back any further than that.