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Gee, post a simple fact and iNow spits the dummy . The truth hurts. Ok, so what you seem to assume is that people whom inquire here have to take iNow’s word for it just like Forest Gump type morons or **** off. Speaks volumes about your level of true emotional maturity. And even more about your dubious powers of reason. Agree with iNow on everything or he won’t help with anything, sad! So do you regularly explode into reptilian fight/flight states when someone disagrees with your god like knowledge of moon walks?. What a ****ing dictator! Strike a light! And ****ing grow up! Keep taking your pills iNow, you’ll eventually benefit, I hope. I done with you too, on account of your pathetic childish temperament and your overreactive disposition. iNow, POWER and CONTROL FREAK, extraordinaire ... Not necessarily more reliable, they are easier to judge on their previous track record. I have "SOLID" personal experience of this, I'm sure you do to. Thanks chief. I honestly wasn’t sure. Is it a crime on SFN to not know something now? That's it keep up the insults grownup. What, with these Hill Children??? If they agree to stop throwing there sad childish stones, then I will too. It's a Triune brain model thing...it's worked for millennia. Sheesh, talk about precious. Note to self, don't ask questions about things that are sacred cows.

That sounds like any "legitimate" war. The Yanks where considered terrorists by the British back in the war of independance days. It all comes down to perspective. Maybe terrorists generally don't control a state perhaps? Terrorist don't have massive wealth? Ahh, terrorist is just not a scientific term is it.

Well then, does a scientific mind just accept things like a religious zealot, or does it inquire on many levels? iNow, I know you are being facetious, but ridicule is a science killer or a nervous reaction from someone whom isn't so sure, IMO. It's funny, because paleontology is "stuff of the earth" I more familiar with, I think I could accept the gaps more readily, I totally accept the concept of evolution for example. I just don't personally know anyone who has walked on the hostile surface of the moon. I mean, we haven't even got a man down to the deepest depths of the oceans yet, or have we? You had me all exited then , I thought they might be updated high res images, but it’s the same pre school finger painting that I’ve already posted in this thread. Merged post follows: Consecutive posts merged I intend to look at the Moon Rocks information more closely so I can potentially be 100% convinced! The holy grail!!! What the **** is a holy grail anyway?

Thanks, I'll take a look, and so will Egbert, my scared little inner scientist. Yes, but unmanned. That's right, but the burden back on those with meager resourses to do it. I am trying to disprove the hoax!!! So, where are the independant references, citations, etc. I'll even take a signed scribbled note (from a russian national) on some dunny paper at present. All it needs to say is -"Yep, can be done and was done". Taddah!!! Merged post follows: Consecutive posts merged FFS, All I wanted was a "Russian Scientific Reference", to state that it was indeed done. And you know that. I know I'm not taking to hill children here...Or...???? Merged post follows: Consecutive posts merged FFS, All I wanted was a "Russian Scientific Reference", to state that it was indeed done. And you know that. I know I'm not talking to hill children here...Or...????

Okay, the problem with media being the messenger of science is that it can be manipulated at too many points to mention. Think of the German population in WW2. Do you think the Nazi's would allow the truth to establish itself from outside their ideological boarders? No, and if it did succeed getting through it would be discredited and laughed upon by the Nazi hierachy and the general population would generally believe they are in the right. Extreme example I know. The point is that mainstream Russian media have recently given a lot of credibility to some hoax/propaganda theories. I'm not saying it was a hoax. I'm saying that the Russians appear to not be completely convinced. You would be surprised how little real news we get from Russia, even today. And you would also be very surprise at just how filtered western media is, both to and from China and Russia, and from us to them. Besides, I'm 95% certain. Just like the scientific Method recommends! If it's good enough for the method, it's good enough for this suburban slob

Ok, I see I have bottomed out here in my quest. The only references I have to rely on to join the dots are the Murdoch style tabloid newspapers and media reports. Gee, no wonder civilized history is so obscured. A total reliance on taking someone’s word for it. Just like the word of GOD. BTW I’m not blaming anyone here; it’s just our inherent human limitations shining through. Thanks anyway. I have learnt much here in a short space of time. I just hope in the future something like Science Daily publishes more about manned interplanetary space travel. What I will do is look more closely at the returned moon rocks as evidence of a manned lunar walk. They seem like the most solid bits of evidence to me anyway. Very convincing from an Aussie forum - "Moon rocks are similar to Earth rocks, indicating a common origin. But they are different enough from Earth rocks that if you were to give a Moon rock to a geologist without telling her where it came from, she could tell you with certainty that it didn’t come from the Earth. Moon rocks show signs of having formed in a low gravity vacuum, which was obviously expected. But they are also essentially free of water, and contain little in the way of other volatile chemicals, which wasn’t universally expected. Finally, it’s worth noting that at least some of the rocks scientists have studied from the Moon were selected during the missions by looking at the television pictures beamed back live from the Moon. Yes, there are lunar meteorites which have been collected on the Earth. But their surfaces have been weathered by passing through the Earth’s atmosphere. By contrast, the Apollo rocks are covered with tiny craters caused by the impact of microscopic dust particles at speeds of tens of kilometres a second. We don’t have the technology to recreate those craters. So in other words, the Apollo rocks weren’t collected from the Moon by robots, and they weren’t collected on the Earth. The only solution left is that they were collected by humans from the Moon."

I have been confirmed an incurrable mathematical dyslexic by a specialist. Can someone please post the solution the problem: What size would a sphere of pure iridium need to be, to give it the same gravity as our Earth? You can send me a private message if you don't want to spoil it for others. cheers.

So, the moon landings are not truely science then? Does this confine them to the world of politics??? If moon landings are not in scientific journals, then my little interior scientist says, they are A. Highly possible but unproven B. Pure propaganda and politiking C. A mass delusion, on par with belief in a deity - in that exact order of probability.

Well, simple to prove outright. Provide a Russian satillite image of a single moon landing site that shows tracks.

I’ve never moved the goal posts. Ok Mokele, one last time for your benefit. Even though I made it perfectly clear in my earliest post. I require one, yes that’s right 1, Russian, and or Chinese scientific reference to confirm a "MOON (lunar) WALK, BY AT LEAST ONE HOMO SAPIEN". The reference can not be produced by a non Russian/Chinese national, unless, it was produced while they where still a confirmed national. I’ve attempted to search the Russian science links kindly provided, but to no avail at this point in time. BTW. I’m 95% sure it happened now. And according to the scientific method this makes me certain it happened. Merged post follows: Consecutive posts merged Was'nt Reagan one of those Disney animatronix? Merged post follows: Consecutive posts merged Lord iNow, model citizen.

It’s not that complex if you catalogue humour under - "power and control". I speculate that basically everything we do is ultimately for personal and tribal power and/or control; over ourselves and our environment. Homo sapiens are spectacular control freaks. That’s one good reason why we excel with science and creativity compared with our fellow life forms. I know there is at least some scientific psychological/neurological research out there that explores this fascinating area. Any links would be appreciated. Some links - Humor Shown To Be Fundamental To Our Success As A Species http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080612150144.htm Love Me; Love My Jokes http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/02/050212200527.htm Having Less Power Impairs The Mind And Ability To Get Ahead, Study Shows http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/05/080515113259.htm

Damn, you're ****ing right! Merged post follows: Consecutive posts merged iNow, you're lucky. I lost hope years ago...I'm hoping for a homosapien speciation, not unlike chimps and bonobos. I'll be a well dressed baboon of couse!

Honestly, I'm not even certain that I have a clean pair of black socks in my draws at present, so I better go look. Gotta go! Cheers.

The only thing I found obviously unreliable (in the Docu) was the talk about Captain Pizarro leading 170 conquistadors to victory against 80000 Incas! Look, I can believe the microbes hypothesis being primarily responsible for this victory, but not the talk of horses, muskets and swords. I think Captain Pizarro ensured a over inflated legend for himself.

I’m a socialist right winger, in favour of benevolent dictatorships. Nah! Democratic Socialist Greenie (idealist:embarass:).