DrDNA

Yes, NOT to scale. I don't think we have anything the size of New Jersey in near earth orbit. Except for the Mother Ship.

You just need a 9V battery and some wires, although carbon electrodes work better if I recall correctly. When you balance the half reactions as acid: At the negatively charged cathode, a reduction reaction occurs, so electrons are given to protons to form hydrogen gas At the positively charged anode, an oxidation reaction occurs, generating oxygen gas. Overall reaction: 2H2O(l) → 2H2(gas) + O2(gas) Of course you realize that hydrogen gas is explosive, especially so in the presence of purified oxygen, right?

Generally no and you might be mixing 2D proton NMR with 2D carbon NMR (or maybe not?). If you are referring specifically and only to 2D proton NMR, the information about the CARBON skeleton is limited. Also please note that there are other types of NMR besides proton. There is also Carbon, Nitrogen, Phosphorous, Boron (the ones I have used)........and many many others. Check out: http://www-lcs.ensicaen.fr/pyPulsar/index.php/List_of_NMR_isotopes for a complete list. Also, there is 3D NMR (eg COSY, NOESY, etc) using at least two types of nuclei, which gives a LOT more information about molecular structure than 2D NMR. The methods are COMPLIMENTARY. Which may be what you meant by color and black and white; or not? In any event, you may be somewhat correct in that IR often gives less information than proton NMR, but IR can give information about specific functional groups; the identities of which that may be lacking or ambiguous in proton NMR alone, and it can be used to confirm other information. But the level of complexity, cost and effort is also usually greater with most types of NMR. The point is, I generally perform IR first, and then 2D proton NMR. If it is a unique compound of unknown structure, and especially if it is difficult or impossible to crystallize, then 3D NMR is VERY helpful (and generally easier and less expensive that crystallization); for example a minuscule amount of a purified natural product. I generally perform IR, then 2D proton NMR then 2D carbon NMR, in that order. NOT just IR OR NMR. As I said above, they are complementary. Plus, what Kaeroll said....

I think you bring up some very good points Cap. As a matter of fact, in the semiconductor industry in particular (but other industries as well), MANY people with degrees in 'physics' are officially classified as 'engineers' and they work side-by-side with people that have traditional engineering degrees; performing the same job functions. That is one example of 'crossing over' from 'science to engineering'. I'm sure that there are many others. I wonder if 'crossing-over' from 'engineering to science' is as common .

An artist's impression showing about 4 per cent of the objects orbiting the Earth "......there are now more than 300,000 objects whizzing around the globe. Despite huge technological advances in tracking it, only a fraction of near-Earth space junk is monitored officially." http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article5721509.ece

To be accurate, there is no evidence that there are a "bunch cheaters" here. There is only evidence of one POSSIBLE cheater; the person responsible for changing the poll. It may have been an honest oversight. But, to be perfectly honest, we have do have at least 1 cheater and one possible cheater here: the poll changer and myself. You see Cap , I am a habitual cheater....and a liar and a scoundrel as well, but that is a long story and completely OT. So we do not have a "bunch of cheaters". We either have a couple of cheaters, one cheater and one possible cheater, or just one cheater and one over-sight-type person. There may be more, but there is no evidence for this. This is simple math and logic. I am a scientist and highly trained in such matters, so trust me. Also, the poll question specifically states "what is your field of science?" Not, 'what is your field of engineering' nor 'what is your field of science or engineering'.

I believe that the closely related fields of 'Archeology' and 'Anthropology', which are studies involving 'dead people' and "them" (as in people besides "us"), respectively, are often considered in the realm of "social sciences". Also, my brother, who is very agile and also quite strong for his small frame, is a 'rock scientist', which should not be confused with a 'rocket scientist'. His wife, my sister in law, is an 'Anthropologist' and considered to be well respected in her field. Since he is quick to anger and slow to forgive, I will not show my brother your comments, nor will I point out the error in neglecting his own scientific field of endeavor.

On a more serious and scientific note: For some strange, unknown reason, all the zombi livi deaderi (commonly referred to as Living Dead Zombies or simply Zombies) that existed in the 60's absorbed all bands of light in the visible spectrum. In other words, all zombi livi deaderi populations in the 60's were shades of gray. Those of you that are wise in the ways of science may be able to observe this phenomenon for yourselves if you view 'Night of the Living Dead' while eating lightly salted, buttered popcorn and compare the Zombies in that film to the zombi livi deaderi populations in the later films (1970s and onward); even amongst the same series of films. Some of you might even be able to see the differences without the use of salt or melted butter or perhaps even without any popcorn at all. The careful or the uncareful observer may also detect this visible light absorbing Zombie effect if one were to observe the 1960's zombi livi deaderi images I pasted above, and also this other image of 1960s era zombi livi deaderi below: Figure 1. Gray 1960s Era Zombies. Image courtesy of 'Night of the Living Dead' Notice that all the Zombies are gray in the image above.. However, at some point during the decade of the 1970's (a la 'Dawn of the Dead' and subsequent '....of the Living Deads'), zombi livi deaderi must have mutated to their current phenotypes. From the 1970s onward, Zombies began to absorb just some bands of visible light; with different Zombies absorbing distinctly different hues of light even amongst geographically-related zombi livi deaderi populations. Compare the films and look carefully at these zombi livi deaderi images from the late 1970's. Figure 2. 1970's Era Zombies in unliving color. Image courtesy of Dawn of the Dead. To the scientifically astute eyeball, even without bifocals, it is obvious that zombi livi deaderi populations from the 1970's and onward do not absorb all bands of visible light; just some colors. These later Zombies are no longer shades of gray, but to the contrary, 1970s era zombi livi deaderi are various hues of colors. Now you have seen it for yourself The evidence is irrefutable. During my quest for a cause for this unusual phenomenon, I drank a rather large box of cheap wine and pondered the relationship between the timing of the Pinko Commie Plot to fluoridate our municipal water supply and the color change. However, upon arising from my drunken stupor, and while brushing my teeth so that my employer would not detect the scent of alcohol on my breath, it occurred to me that zombi livi deaderi populations in areas that did not fluoridate their water supplies were also impacted. After a several month long drinking binge, I found within myself a renewed interest in finding the source of the Zombi mutation. I now have circumstantial evidence that suggests that it was Disco Music and/or a rise in the popularity of Tight Fitting, Nylon, Bell Bottomed Breeches in the 1970s era that may have caused the mutation. I will continue my research with the hope that a genetically targeted solution can be found.

IsisDraw does much of what the basic package of ChemDraw does (at least in terms of drawing chemical structures). Although I MUCH prefer ChemDraw, IsisDraw is available free to academics and personal users. I used to use it and know several academic-types that still do. http://www.symyx.com/downloads/index.jsp NOTE: I think that they require free registration now. And there are some IisisDraw add ons that are supposed to make it do more of what the Pro version of ChemDraw can do. NOTE: I have not used these, nor can I recommend them, nor do I know if they are also free. I placed this part here purely for informational purposes. * ACD/CNMR Predictor or ACD/CNMR DB * ACD/HNMR Predictor or ACD/HNMR DB * ACD/2D NMR Predictor * ACD/Name * ACD/LogD Suite * ACD/Boiling Point * ACD/Solubility * ACD/ChemSketch * ACD/3D Viewer * ACD/Dictionary Downloaded here: http://www.acdlabs.com/products/glob_sol_lab/isis_integration/i_draw.html

Interesting. Iridium 33 was owned by Iridium Satellite LLC, a satellite phone company spun out of Motorola. It collided with a defunct Russian Space Forces satellite. For those who don't know, the Iridium project - circling the globe with 66 strategically placed communication satellites (the atomic number for Iridium is 66, hence the name) - was intended for worldwide, uninterrupted phone coverage. It is commonly referred to as one of the greatest technological achievements of the 20th Century. The first satellite assembly line. Unfortunately, due in part to phones weighing about 6 lbs, but mostly because of a faster than expected deployment of land-based cell phone infrastructure in Asia, S America, and Eastern Europe, Iridium was obsolete and Iridium LLC was bankrupt before the last satellite was even launched. Note also that the cell phone infrastructure that helped make Iridium obsolete was planned and built to a large extent by another division of Motorola....the "internal waring tribes" in Motorola generally don't like to talk to each other..... So, a several billion dollar investment eventually sold for approx 20 million and Iridium can also be considered one the greatest financial debacles of the 20th century. Just one reason why the once giant Motorola, which was valued by the analysts at (but never quite achieved) over $180 a share at one point in late 90's, is trading for between $3-$4 a share now. Conclusion: No great loss (at least the satellites). Except the space junk that may present an issue for other satellites and/or missions and perhaps the military who probably still use the phones for some high level communications.

This is a good point I believe. Does anyone know for sure what kind of advice the mathematicians were giving the bankers....if it was accurate and just not followed, off the mark and followed, etc........? I think that it's important to know this in order to decide who to, and who not to stone in the public square.

Actually, Dawn of the Dead was the second one (I think that there were five or more in all). Dawn of... was the sequel to 'Night of the Living Dead'; which was done in B&W about 10 years earlier. In the third one, Return of the Living Dead, the military nuked my hometown of Louisville KY, trying to kill the Zombies, but the subsequent rain containing Zombie fallout just made millions more of them! Night of... was shot to a large extent in a graveyard and, what looked like, somebody's basement on a VERY low budget (something like a hundred grand or so). 'Night of the Living Dead' was REALLY 'campy', but it was by far the best one of the series and the best Zombie movie ever made, in my opinion. It's a classic. I think somebody did a remake of Night of..... in the early nineties or so...plus a remake of Dawn of... somewhere along the line.

I don't want to give the impression that I'm putting on airs or anything, but I guess that's what separates you from me. Merged post follows: Consecutive posts mergedSome of my hunting buddies, including Arnie, his gang and Arnie's new best pal, One Ugly Mother *****, are coming to town for this long, 3-day weekend. Now that they all finally get along together, they're a lot of fun to hang out and kill Zombies with. Anyway, they asked me to let you all know that you might want to keep your kids indoors for a few days and that this Zombie problem, as well as many of the politicians who are responsible for the pork/special interest earmarks in the "Stimulus Package", should be taken care of by Tuesday morning. HAPPY DEAD PRESIDENTS/DEAD ZOMBIES DAY!!

Companies like the one you work for should be rewarded (or at least left alone). Not the ones that drove themselves into the ground with a bag of hammers. I fear that by encouraging failure and mismanagement, we may be creating something undesirable. Something that may be very difficult or impossible to get rid of. BTW, which stupid ideology are you referring to, the stupidity exalted on 'BBC', 'Air America' or the 'Excellence in Broadcasting Network'/Hannity Show?

Mine are a strong attractant.....................................................................................to dogs mostly.

I didn't know we could have voted more than once. I have no qualms about skewing statistics in favor of my own views.

Thanks for the clarification. I get it now....Supreme Commander Thor is no longer fun at parties because he is dead.

Huh?

You left out the part about peeing against a wall.

There are some good points in this thread. Not agreeing with the price DOES justify stealing it. Hey, that Harley is too expensive. DrDNA rides away with it.................

I told you scientists are a bunch of liars. This revelation makes me rethink the round earth theory and the moon landing.....

Sociologists and Psychologists stole money from my 401K too? Are they getting any bail out money like the rest of the crooks?

I am EXTREMELY grieved by the death of Thor (his thread actually). At first I thought it was silly, but it evolved into a GREAT thread. Thanks for starting it iNow. By the power of Oden, I call on Thor to awaken with his mighty hammer up and smash his way back into the forum.

Good idea. I like it. I had this physiology Prof as an undergrad that no one liked. The main reason no one liked him was because he was a real horse's arse. But I digress too quickly...that's another story, and not at all relevant to your comment. Anyway, the other reason that no one liked him, the one that by some stretch of my imagination is relevant to your comment, was because at the beginning of every year, he had each of his Physiology 301 students pith a perfectly good turtle's brain and then observe and document the outcome at arms length and only at arm's length. Anesthesia was not allowed. He was adamant in his stance that it would skew the results. The students were not allowed to further dissect and/or study the effects of destroying the turtle's brain on it's pulmonary system or respiratory system, for example. And every year, every class got the same predictable result..........a bucket of dead turtles. After the turtles were thrown in the trash and the pithing instruments and bench tops were cleaned, there was a lecture about how every biology student needed to be able to accept the inevitable consequences of using live animals in their studies. Which, of course, was the entire purpose of that particular lab. Then he would go back out into the hall, which is where he was most of the time, in his stained white coat and light another cigarette, lighting subsequent cigarettes off the butts of previous cigarettes. The moral is: I like your way of perturbing the system better. You are apparently noting both cause AND effect. Plus, it is much more humane and much less predictable I might add.

Interesting train of logic. Rene Descartes is dead. Merged post follows: Consecutive posts merged Perhaps, but Sum, ergo Deus est and Deus cogito ergo sum Are just as likely or unlikely What proof do you have that you're not just part of one of my weird dreams (not normally what I would dream about btw.....)...some remnant effect of a bad piece of meat that I had for dinner last night or a mushroom that I ate back in 1982? PS: for a group of people with an aversion towards the philosophical, your foundation is sure smelling ....uh hmmm....like philosophy.