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This is all pretty well known. On a carborated vehicle, you can basically run the gas directly into the air intake without much modification. There were approximately half a million "wood gas" vehicles in Germany during WW2. And thousands of others over the rest of Europe. When considering the miles/BTU, you will also need to consider that fact that several hundred pounds of equipment (stove, condensers, etc) have to added to the vehicle. PS: it doesn't have to run on wood. I saw a truck operate at a nanotechnology conference (go figure, ehy?) that ran on pecan shells. Also, it should also run on waste paper (junk mail) and other cellulose based trash that would otherwise be bound for the landfill.

Well, here in the US "The 31 states that have "shall issue" laws allowing private citizens to carry concealed weapons have, on average, a 24 percent lower violent crime rate, a 19 percent lower murder rate and a 39 percent lower robbery rate than states that forbid concealed weapons. In fact, the nine states with the lowest violent crime rates are all right-to-carry states. Remarkably, guns are used for self-defense more than 2 million times a year, three to five times the estimated number of violent crimes committed with guns." and "....the facts show that there is simply no correlation between gun control laws and murder or suicide rates across a wide spectrum of nations and cultures. In Israel and Switzerland, for example, a license to possess guns is available on demand to every law-abiding adult, and guns are easily obtainable in both nations. Both countries also allow widespread carrying of concealed firearms, and yet, admits Dr. Arthur Kellerman, one of the foremost medical advocates of gun control, Switzerland and Israel "have rates of homicide that are low despite rates of home firearm ownership that are at least as high as those in the United States." A comparison of crime rates within Europe reveals no correlation between access to guns and crime. The basic premise of the gun control movement, that easy access to guns causes higher crime, is contradicted by the facts, by history and by reason." http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/gun-control-myths-realities

I agree with you ( I think). But I do believe that the biblical account is true. It is in no way shape or form contradictory to science. For example, regarding timelines “,,,,,with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day” (2 Peter 3:8). The Bible may be contradictory to some scientific fad or false hypothesis. It has been in the past. But it does not contradict to the truth and this is becoming more evident every day. Is a beautiful poem that tells a true story a textbook? We must recognize that the Bible is not an engineering manual for the creation of the universe and so it should not be viewed as such. How many pages would that take? Would that have made sense 4 thousand yrs ago? Could we make much sense out of it today? It is also subject to fallible human interpretation. History confirms this. The exact meanings of words and translations from Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic are also subject to human interpretation and misinterpretation. This does not mean that the Bible is broken. It means that we are broken. Like trying to put cats in a box, scientific definitions also not stationary.

You're right. I got in a rush and pasted the wrong link (that one is a decent review): I meant to past this one. Ovulatory cycle effects on tip earnings by lap dancers: economic evidence for human estrus? I AM IN THE WRONG FIELD!! Seriously, this one is a great and interesting paper that cites the original literature in this area. Human oestrus

Me thinks you have been reading too much Greek mythology.

I think we have found our test subject. While we are at it, would you also volunteer to be bitten by numerous mosquitos and ticks that have bit several unfortunate AIDS victims?

What size would you the pieces of your steak before I feed them to you? BTW> Since I am so generous, and feeling especially so at the moment, it is Filet Mignon. You can thank me later.

Are pseudo-scientists broken?

There is no winner or loser in the search for knowledge or truth. I personally don't believe that "creation" has to be what you (and a whole lot of scientists AND Christians) seem to think it is. You don't have to believe that the earth is 6000 yrs old or that dinosaurs and man walked the earth at the same time to believe that God created the universe.

Tim the Enchanter from Monty Python. In Search of the Holy Grail. Hit link for video

Just to give you an inkling of how far Maimonides (a Jewish Rabbi and "Physician", 12th Century) was beyond his time: 'Aristotle was well aware that he had not proved the Eternity of the Universe. .....he maintains that time is eternal, for time is related to and connected with motion : there is no motion except in time, and time can only be perceived by motion, as has been demonstrated by proof. By this argument Aristotle proves the eternity of the Universe. .. ...I will, by philosophical reasoning, show that our theory of the Creation is more acceptable than that of the Eternity of the Universe;.. ...."EVERYTHING produced comes into existence from non-existence;....." "Owing to the absence of all proof, we reject the theory of the Eternity of the Universe: and it is for this very reason that the noblest minds spent and will spend their days in research. . For if the Creation had been demonstrated by proof, even if only according to the Platonic hypothesis, all arguments of the philosophers against us would be of no avail. If, on the other hand, Aristotle had a proof for his theory, the whole teaching of Scripture would be rejected, and we should be forced to other opinions. I have thus shown that all depends on this question. Note it. " Maimonides, Moses (1135 - 1204); Abrahams, Israel; Slouschz, Nahum; Hallevi, Judah; Spinoza, Baruch; Rapaport, Samuel; Bentwich, Norman; Ginzberg, Louis (2009-03-10). Classics of Judaism: 11 great books of Jewish wisdom in a single file, with active table of contents, improved 1/12/2011 (Kindle Locations 57455-57459). B&R Samizdat Express. Kindle Edition. Maimonides, Moses (1135 - 1204). "According to Aristotle, motion, that is to say, motion par excellence, is eternal." ""The upward motion of a stone, owing to a force applied to it in that direction, is an instance of a motion due to an external force. The motion of a nail in a boat may serve to illustrate motion due to the participation of a thing in the motion of another thing; for when the boat moves, the nail is said to move likewise. The same is the case with everything composed of several parts: when the thing itself moves, every part of it is likewise said to move. "" Sir Isaac Newton (1642 -1727): Newton's First Law of Motion: an object at rest tends to stay at rest and that an object in uniform motion tends to stay in uniform motion unless acted upon by a net external force. Who deserves credit for the First Law of Motion?

Since you got me to bettin.....I'll bet $1 not (it will make even less sense) and you can take the affirmative bet. Let's meet back here in 30 years so I can collect my dollar.

I meant to infer that is one reason why it is not my chosen field of endeavor...too much speculation.....or maybe it is just too far over my head....which would be an even better bet

Science maY or may not be a good way to "find" God. I don't know. Every one needs to find their own path. However,I am 100% convinced that it is an excellent way to better understand him and to study his wonders. It can be a very high form of praise.

I don't believe that attitude was necessary. I was agreeing with you! You either get it or you don't. Maybe it's a generational thing-- with all these new fangled ipods and stuff. I'm not even going to try and explain it. Think about it and let me know what you come up with -if youlike-Warning_ drugs are Not required nor suggested but thinking outside "the box is required. So, I Lied. I will try- Hint: Book ~ Stereo.Pen~Speaker

I, for one, will not be a subject in any study that involves a HERPES infested toilet seat -- - -no matter how low the probability.

The Science of God: Gerald L. Schroeder I Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist: Norman L. Greisler THE GUIDE FOR THE PERPLEXED: MOSES MAIMONIDES(12th century Kabbalah but approaches modern cosmology and quantum physics)

Yeah. I made it too complicated. Let me just say that I love my e coli and they love me. edit: no I take that back. -they can eat just about anything, but the wrong species or strain in our gut is deadly. we do need them more than they need us

.....along those lines of logic...... Hey, dude! This speaker is broken. Let's keep it to show everyone that there is error in the system and to prove our point that the system itself sucks. But go ahead and throw away that perfectly good stereo. We don't need it since the speaker is broken. This really is what they are saying. Don't you think?

First of all, whatever you are tripping on is gonna be a rough ride down. Secondly. Ponder this: I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: “I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept his claim to be God.” That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic—on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg—or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronising nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to. C S Lewis (former ardent atheist; converted with the help of his best friend, JRR Tolken), Mere Christianity Third, Do your homework dude. 1 Jesus, in his own words, says he is God/The Christ/The Messiah/The Son of God. 1.1 John 10:24 John 10:24The Jews gathered around him, saying, "How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ,[c] tell us plainly." 25Jesus answered, "I did tell you, but you do not believe. The miracles I do in my Father's name speak for me, 26but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. 29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[d]; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. 30I and the Father are one." 31Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, 32but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?" 33"We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God." 34Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'[e]? 35If he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God came—and the Scripture cannot be broken— 36what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'? 37Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does. 38But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father." 39Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp. 1.2 Luke 24:44 Luke 24:44He said to them, "This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms." 45Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures. 46He told them, "This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, 47and repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48You are witnesses of these things. 49I am going to send you what my Father has promised; but stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high." 1.3 John 8:42 John 8:42Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me. 43Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! 46Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don't you believe me? 47He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God." 1.4 John 11 25 John 11 25Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies; 26and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?" 27"Yes, Lord," she told him, "I believe that you are the Christ,the Son of God, who was to come into the world." 1.5 John8 23 John8 23But he continued, "You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. 24I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be,a]">[a] you will indeed die in your sins." 25"Who are you?" they asked. "Just what I have been claiming all along," Jesus replied. 26"I have much to say in judgment of you. But he who sent me is reliable, and what I have heard from him I tell the world." 27They did not understand that he was telling them about his Father. 28So Jesus said, "When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am the one I claim to be and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me. 29The one who sent me is with me; he has not left me alone, for I always do what pleases him." 30Even as he spoke, many put their faith in him. 2 Jesus Says that He and God are One 2.1 John 8:12 John 8:12When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life." 13The Pharisees challenged him, "Here you are, appearing as your own witness; your testimony is not valid." 14Jesus answered, "Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid, for I know where I came from and where I am going. But you have no idea where I come from or where I am going. 15You judge by human standards; I pass judgment on no one. 16But if I do judge, my decisions are right, because I am not alone. I stand with the Father, who sent me. 17In your own Law it is written that the testimony of two men is valid. 18I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father, who sent me." (wtj....Jesus is testifying for 2 men, himself and the Father). 2.2 John 10:37-38 John 10:37-38 (ASV) If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not But if I do them, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father. 2.3 John 14:8 8Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us." 9Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'? 10Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves. 12I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. 14You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it. 2.4 John 6:29 John 6:29Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent." 30So they asked him, "What miraculous sign then will you give that we may see it and believe you? What will you do? 31Our forefathers ate the manna in the desert; as it is written: 'He gave them bread from heaven to eat." 32Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven. 33For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world." 34"Sir," they said, "from now on give us this bread." 35Then Jesus declared, "I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty. 36But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe. 37All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. 38For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day." 41At this the Jews began to grumble about him because he said, "I am the bread that came down from heaven." 42They said, "Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can he now say, 'I came down from heaven'?" 43"Stop grumbling among yourselves," Jesus answered. 44"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day. 45It is written in the Prophets: 'They will all be taught by God.'Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me. 46No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father. 47I tell you the truth, he who believes has everlasting life. 48I am the bread of life. 49Your forefathers ate the manna in the desert, yet they died. 50But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which a man may eat and not die. 51I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world." 2.5 John 12:44 John 12:44Then Jesus cried out, "When a man believes in me, he does not believe in me only, but in the one who sent me. 45When he looks at me, he sees the one who sent me. 46I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness. 47"As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it. 48There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day. 49For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it. 50I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say." 3 Jesus is the Son of God 3.1 Luke 2:45-50 Luke 2:45-50 (NIV) When they did not find him, they went back to Jerusalem to look for him. 46 After three days they found him in the temple courts, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions. 47 Everyone who heard him was amazed at his understanding and his answers. 48 When his parents s.aw him, they were astonished. His mother said to him, "Son, why have you treated us like this? Your father and I have been anxiously searching for you." 49 "Why were you searching for me?" he asked "Didn't you know I had to be in my Father's house?" 50 But they did not understand what he was saying to them 3.2 John 15:24-25 John 15:24-25 (NIV) If I had not done among them what no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. But now they have seen these miracles, and yet they have hated both me and my Father. 25 But this is to fulfill what is written in their Law: 'They hated me without reason.' 3.3 Mark9: 5 Mark9: 5Peter said to Jesus, "Rabbi, it is good for us to be here. Let us put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah." 6(He did not know what to say, they were so frightened.) 7Then a cloud appeared and enveloped them, and a voice came from the cloud: "This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to him!" 8Suddenly, when they looked around, they no longer saw anyone with them except Jesus. 9As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus gave them orders not to tell anyone what they had seen until the Son of Man had risen from the dead. 10They kept the matter to themselves, discussing what "rising from the dead" meant. 11And they asked him, "Why do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?" 12Jesus replied, "To be sure, Elijah does come first, and restores all things. Why then is it written that the Son of Man must suffer much and be rejected? 13But I tell you, Elijah has come, and they have done to him everything they wished, just as it is written about him." 3.4 John 3:10 John 3:10"You are Israel's teacher," said Jesus, "and do you not understand these things? 11I tell you the truth, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony. 12I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things? 13No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man. 14Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.e]">[e] 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. 3.5 John10:7 John10:7Therefore Jesus said again, "I tell you the truth, I am the gate for the sheep. 8All who ever came before me were thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. 9I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. He will come in and go out, and find pasture. 10The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full. 11"I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. 12The hired hand is not the shepherd who owns the sheep. So when he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away. Then the wolf attacks the flock and scatters it. 13The man runs away because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for the sheep. 14"I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me— 15just as the Father knows me and I know the Father—and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. (wtj...Gentiles!!) I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd. 17The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life—only to take it up again. 18No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father." 3.6 John 8:54 John 8:54Jesus replied, "If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me. 55Though you do not know him, I know him. If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and keep his word. 56Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad." 57"You are not yet fifty years old," the Jews said to him, "and you have seen Abraham!" 58"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!" (wtj....EG, see “I Am Who I Am” see Exodus) 59At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds. 4 Jesus speaks for God 4.1 John 18:33-37 John 18:33-37 (NIV) Pilate then went back inside the palace, summoned Jesus and asked him, "Are you the king of the Jews?" 34 "Is that your own idea," Jesus asked, "or did others talk to you about me?" 35 "Am I a Jew?" Pilate replied. "It was your people and your chief priests who handed you over to me. What is it you have done?" 36 Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my kingdom is from another place." 37 "You are a king, then!" said Pilate. Jesus answered, "You are right in saying I am a king. In fact, for this reason I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me." 4.2 Luke 4:16-21 Luke 4:16-21 (NIV) He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read. 17 The scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written: 18 "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed, 19 to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor." 20 Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him, 21 and he began by saying to them ,"Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing."

You are heading down the right track...............but don't ignore the converse.........

Me thinks you may have it backwards Capt. ------------------ Along this same train of thought, we could accuse our mitochondria of hitching a free ride. I don't know about you, but I'd like to keep mine. -------- The flora in our guts are only eating our sewage. Waste. Only things that our bodies did not/would not/could not digest upstream from the lower colon. Such as complex carbohydrate fibers (eg found in bean, broccoli, carrots, among many other things etc.....). We let them live there, and we get vitamins and, importantly, protection from pathogenic flora. As long as they thrive, there is no room for the bad guys to move in to the neighborhood. When they (for example, Cholera) do move in, we get diarrhea, then dehydration, loss of K and Mg, and other minerals, and then we die. It's an awful, horrid, death. Seems like a pretty good deal to me. They could be eating something else somewhere else in which case we would all be dead. We need them a lot more than they need us. At their cost. It is their metabolism that they are using, not ours. And the energy comes from our garbage. Not some something that we could otherwise be using. It is all quite efficient. I wish that our municipal waste systems (i mean organic matter that goes into landfills---not sewage treatment, which is approximately the same principle) were 1/10 as efficient. PS: You might not find it. Other than as a semiperm absorptive barrier, the gut is pretty much considered to be external to mammalian physiology for most purposes. Sort of like the skin. At least that is what I was taught millennia ago....

At their essence, dark matter, dark energy, dark strings, etc....etc. are nothing more than cosmological (fudge) factors for things that we have absolutely no understanding of. They make our equations balance on both sides and look all pretty, but we really have no clue and no real evidence what they are, what they are composed of, and even if they actually exist. Agree? Disagree? Have a comment? This is one reason why I am a professional chemist....but I do like to read and dream of these speculations. All these speculative theories, equations and such that all require cosmological factors smell a lot more like religion and philosophy than science. Just because it makes an equation balance does not make it true. "Much later, when I was discussing cosmological problems with Einstein, he remarked that the introduction of the cosmological term was the biggest blunder of his life." -- George Gamow, My World Line, 1970 Seriously, in the end, quantum physics and cosmology require WAY too much FAITH for me to stake my professional integrity and financial future on them. And I'm a Christian. Go figure.

I think these two opposite-minded, fancy, famous fellas pretty much define freedom and the lack thereof.......... ‘‘The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subjected people to carry arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subjected peoples to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the underdog is a sine qua non ("without which it could not be.") for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let's not have any native militia or police.’’ -- Adolph Hitler "No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain their right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -- Thomas Jefferson o'course, if the collective "we" DO NOT exercise our rights to protect ourselves from tyranny by, for example, 1. NOT educating ourselves beyond what the media/political machines feed us. 2. NOT voting with the 2nd amendment at a high place in mind regardless of "1" above. 3. NOT arming ourselves and be willing to use them if necessary 4. NOT ignoring signs in public places and so called "laws" in public places that violate the 2nd amendment 5. DO NOT stand up for ourselves and our sisters/brothers, even a our own financial, emotional or physical cost. ....then we've pretty much abandoned ourselves, our families, our neighbors and our fellow countrywomen/men to row in the first boat with Mr Hitler's crew. All one can do in that case is pray and hope and pray... and did I mention pray....that the puppet masters are benevolent in all their doings and undoings :( So, one might conclude that freedom simply means the opposite of oppression or the lack of allowing oneself to be oppressed, which can be, or at least has been, successfully achieved, with some difficulty, by adhering to the instructions of Jefferson, et al. Put another way, a lack of freedom could be defined as allowing oneself to be in a situation where one can be oppressed and then allowing oneself to be oppressed in that situation. Finally, freedom may be quantified. E.g., if I got more guns and ammo than you, then I have a lot more freedom than you. PS: write in Ron Paul. He rows in the founding fathers' boat(s).

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