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I re-watched 'Schindler's list' yesterday evening. I saw it 25 years ago. I still shed tears at the end when he breaks down. I am still depressed now. Mainly because it isn't some ancient history, it was in the 1940s. I think everyone should watch it. Everyone in the world. I think there were 2 sides to all that - the people there (majority according to democratic votes?) actually want to be part of Russia. I guess it depends on who you ask and what web site you read the info from. Certainly in Georgia anyway - they actually asked the Russians for military help. All those places are right on the Russian border - I'd let them police their own country/borders. Did they strip any children from their mothers and fathers and send them thousands of miles away?

I asked above: How did you get to this conclusion? Can you show where you got this information? Especially about the Universe and atom Show me where did you get that the shape of many things you mention is a spiral? Oh come on bear - keep up - just look at the comparison between an egg and a tree..... that's all the proof you need! Existence is duality when viewed from our existence awareness matrix.

No one can or has said that here. No one can and you know it. So what? It's totally irrelevant. The human eyes are in that spot because it is in our DNA that they grow there - it has evolved this way over a very long time.... and, as far as I know, has nothing to do with pi. If you think it does then give us a proof... this is the difference between us scientists and you snake oil salesmen / new age woo lot - if you show me proof or evidence of it I may well change my mind and thank you for the correction.... where as you have already shown that you won't accept anything anyone else has to say that contradicts your personal made up stuff. Quite.

oh come on! If you are going to troll us then come up with something more believable than this nonsense. lol. You know this is total rubbish and you are posting it here to get a reaction. A tree and an egg are totally different shapes. Thanks for the laugh though.

Like a load of total rubbish and nonsense - like you are trolling for the fun of it.

I can't see any of these videos any more. Sorry - I did know there was a second video. How did he eliminate the drafts from the general environment from his drafty workshop or those from breathing? Did he put the whole thing in a glove box or something? Even if he did I'd still recommend vacuuming it down.... and securing the device to the floor of the box. as mentioned by someone else. Did the towel still move in the second video?

and 'Don't Panic!"

He's taken the video down now? I can't view it anymore. I was going to see if I could guess at where the currents were coming from by studying the motion.... maybe he took it down out of embarrassment or something.

Although this is true.... what about drafts from open doors or windows or just air currents from around his workshop or his breathing even? Also, he is holding the towel with his hand - it would need to be clamped (his own twitching will/could move the towel even). He isn't even close to being able to understand what he needs to do to eliminate the effects of air currents and probably still doesn't believe that this is the cause of the movement of the towel. If I were serious about showing that it were not air currents I'd vac down a glove box and do it in there... although I probably wouldn't bother because it is obviously air movement from somewhere.

F = G.M1.M2 / 4piE0r^2

I don't see what that has to do with the paper towel. I am not speculating here - I am telling you flat that it is NOT gravity. You saw an effect (the towel move) and are wondering what has caused it. You came to this site for an opinion or an explanation. We, here at this SCIENCE site, already know what is going on because we are scientists and have studied science all our lives. Gravity is well understood up to a point.... and has nothing to do with the effect you observed. We are TELLING you, not just brandishing ideas about, that that movement of the towel is NOT due to a gravitational distortion or attraction, it is due to the movement of the air caused by several different factors - not gravity alterations from your spinning mass in a tube. You can accept that, you can test it out in practice by trying some of the ideas we have mentioned above (don't bother though - we know what's going on already, but do it if you need to appease your own mind), or you can ignore us and continue naively to spout your thoughts about it being a gravitational effect. That's as plain as I can be.

A brick, being heavier than a paper towel, would be effected by gravity more than the towel. The attractive force between 2 objects is equal to a mix of constants multiplied by the mass of each object divided by the square of the distance between the objects. It isn't. Of course gravity effects the air - it has mass, so it is attracted to other things that have mass. This is why we have air pressure here on the ground - because the air is attracted to the earth via gravity and the molecules are all piled on top of each other pushing down (due to the gravity).

The Gibbs equation sprang to mind when reading the thread title, but I don't think this is what the OP was hoping for.

I think we all know the answer to that one already.

It isn't gravity generated by your spinning mass that pulls on the tissue paper. It is the movement of air displaced by your spinning parts as pointed out by several above. The air around your spinning parts is disturbed by the movement. Like a spoon stirring a drink. The air outside then moves in to fill the space left by the displaced air - you get movement of air.... which is what you are seeing with the movement of the tissue. The air is not displaced from the moving parts due to gravity - the air molecules are physically bashed out of the way by the moving mass. Do it in a vacuum and nothing will happen as you will remove the moving air which is pushing on the tissue.

Really? How do you know that the 1 watch isn't correct and the other 2 are out? Or that all 3 are just wrong? - You can't. An moving object in orbit NEEDS a force on it to stop it going off in a straight line at a tangent from the earth. This force provides an acceleration in the direction of the earth (Down). This force curves the path of the object (that would normally go in a straight line) so that it orbits the earth. If the force it too weak then the object flies out of orbit, if too strong it falls.... if balanced then the object stays in orbit. The force and acceleration are still there - they are keeping the motion of the object circular rather than straight. Accept it - it is how it is and is shown in actuality by weights on ropes and things in orbit around the earth. Cut the rope (remove the force) and the weight flies off in a straight line.

Is that a portable treadmill, a mobile bicycle one, a 6hp electric or a foot powered treadmill?

I might fear their gun more than them. I don't understand the fear - is someone pulled a gun here it would be a massive shock - we'd be like, "wtf, where'd that dick get that" - and drive to the nearest police station and report the number. Of course if someone is being a dick we flip them the finger - so what? Are you saying that your fellow countrymen are that up themselves that they can't take criticism enough to have someone stick a finger up at them? Are they that backward and barbaric that they would shoot someone for it? What a fucking mess. lol. As for it being a joke... I think you misunderstand me - road rage in our country is where you shout at each other from the safety of the car. All over the world you'd get the odd idiot that will want to fight. Here though we can run them over easily enough if they get out of their car to attack you. Sounds like you live in a very dangerous place where every twat is carrying a gun and will shoot you for disagreeing with them over a traffic incident - it's fucking ridiculous mate - I'm not joking at all.

....someone told me that my slippery slop argument was a fallacy... in this respect I don't think it is a fallacy as we actually see it happening here. How he won his case idk. How many others will this debacle empower to go public with their bigotry?

Terribly sorry about that - I missed it somehow - I had a lot of the thread to catch up on and the post before yours was tldr for me as I've just got into work.... I stand by what I said though - if you live in a country that allows such barbarity then I feel sorry for you. If you have to live in THAT much fear of nutters with guns then is it really freedom? I am glad drivers don't carry guns behind the wheel in this country. Seriously though - fuck those idiots with guns - I am sure they will be in more trouble than you if they start shooting at you for drinking a covvee. I'd still flip the dick the bird. I guess it's off topic - but where do you live? I imagine it's South Africa? Nigeria? Sudan?.. somewhere in the middle east? Where else in the world is it so backward that you can't look an aggressor in the eye and tell him to fuck off calmly? Now I've had time to read it that long post was quite funny.

Sorry - that came out a bit more bromantic than I intended. lol. Which is why you need to drive with 'care and attention'. It isn't difficult if you have a brain and are prepared to use it. This morning I was totally paranoid on my way to work whilst eating my pie! As I said - I don't think eating is illegal unless you allow it to distract you. Really? Maybe in some 'shithole' country in Africa or some other 3rd world place. Not in civilised societies. That's what road rage is though isn't it? Getting angry at other drivers - often associated with the shaking of a fist. Regarding the OP - I'd have just flipped the guy the bird and laughed at his idiocy.

There are 'holy' people who perform 'miracles' today. There is that flaming cardamom seed trick that seems to fool everyone into believing that the 'guru' has special powers. Then there is the turning the stone pink trick that I have seen people asking about on forums too... the stone turns pink you pick the one aligned with your chakra... (or when the bloke wipes it with a different substance to the others). When we were at school we watched a priest turn water into wine during a sermon... He said that we could choose to either believe it was a magic trick or believe it was a miracle. I have never thought about it as a parable before - I'm giving you +1 for that. You mean that the water could represent ordinary life and wine the good stuff, but with the contentment taught by Jesus we can experience the good stuff (joy abounding) even with ordinary everyday life? Allelujah!

I didn't think it was criticism. I was just trying to give a possible explanation for it. As I said - though - I couldn't answer for him.

I can't really speak for him - but I am guessing it is because he cares about what people think about him. He cares about how he behaves and self reflects and self monitors his own behaviours (much in the same way a Christian repents from wrongs). Basically he is a good guy who cares about people and the world and doesn't want to make bad judgements and is 'checking' his thoughts and reasoning with peers and people he trusts - like his pals on this site. Maybe - as I said I can't speak for him - but I think I get why he is self reflecting on the situation rather than just assuming he was in the right (which he is imo). I could be wrong - but he was the first person I ever 'friended' on here back when we had that facility - this is because I like the respect he treats everyone with... and he can be funny too. I was walking through the street late at night in Canterbury a year ago... I was a bit tipsy. I gave some homeless couple the rest of the money in my pocket... paper and coin. I was talking to them for a bit and some drunk guy who knew them came up and told them to be careful of me as I was "clearly a wrongun". He could see it my eyes apparently and was trying to start a fight with me. I thought about fighting him, but I had a bad back and didn't fancy it.... although I reckon he'd have been easy enough to deal with presuming he didn't have a knife tucked away. I am a pacifist anyway so wouldn't really have wanted to. It thoroughly depressed me - I try to be nice - I try to be a good person - I was Christian for many years - I was totally at a loss as to how my very appearance would cause someone to hate me so much - you just have to accept that some people are arseholes I think and write them off and move/drive on.

From what I can tell from reading around about it they wouldn't have been fined for eating or drinking, rather fined for driving without undue care and attention or driving whilst distracted. It isn't illegal to eat from what I can tell, but if you are driving poorly whilst eating then you would be finned for driving without due care and attention ad the fact that you were eating would be the distraction quoted against you. I could be wrong, but that is what I got from a quick internet search. I would assume (hope) that you would only get fined for it if it effected how you were driving. There was a uni professor a good few years back who was charged with dangerous driving for eating a sweet. Although eating a sweet isn't illegal... he had to rummage through his glove compartment for it and drove off the road and killed someone. This is driving without due care and attention. I think the line is a little blurred. Maybe I'll have to check the law again sometime when I get the chance. I think this is exactly what is thought to be true.