jeff Mitchel

We are in Iraq to trigger the emergence of an ideology that can neutralize the ideologies of Khomeini and Qutb and thereby reduce the risk of World War I thought we were there because of wmd's... or was it to get rid of Saddam...I can't keep up ithe reason keeps changing everyday. It all changes except for the dying and astronomical cost.

Unfortunately the big bang boys beat the "Where's your proof, Where's your evidence drums" while in fact all they have is cosmic background and red-shift. What proof do they have that there weren't two, three, or a thousand big bangs. None. A lot of people put bread on their table because they beat the big bang drums. They don't want someone to take the drums away. Truth and logic has nothing to do with it.

Hey man grab a beer. If that doesn't work, grab another one. It will look better, trust me.

In the big bang there is no accounting for 95% of matter and 75% of energy??? What does it take for someone to say "Maybe this theory isn"t right"??? Religion like the big bang relies on the belief in dark matter and dark energy. In religion they just rename them deities and miracles. So far I am the only person I know of who does not believe in dark matter or dark energy in any form. It's not that I'm trying to be different, to me it's just logical.

Kaneda, You are correct about the big bang, it didn't happen. I had a post on here titled "Galaxy Spin" where I logically explained what is happening. The big bang has turned into a religion and if you dare go against it be prepared to be crucified.

It must be convienent believing in a theory where you can't account for 95% OF THE MATTER AND 75% OF THE ENERGY.

Modern astrophysics and cosmology are blinded by the big bang. I find it naive to think we are smart enough to know when it all began.

Nothing can go faster than the speed of light. Space is not expanding, the galaxies are orbiting. The universe is not isotropic; if it were we would be affected by dark matter like far off galaxies .

Thank you Kaneda, it appears we are close to being on the same page. John, If half the dark matter is to the left and half to the right, then how come distant stars and galaxies seem to be moved by it. Another thought is how come we do not see the effects of this dark matter in our galaxy or in nearby ones? If it affects only far off galaxies but not close ones then the universe is not isotropic.

In response to Riogho, I agree with you, there isn't a "crapload" of dark matter next to my pencil. Thus the universe isn't isotropic. We need to tell all those people wasting time and money looking for WIMPS. In response to Swansont, Gauss's law has to do with electrical field concepts not with gravity.

If 95% of all matter is dark matter then the gravity of the earth should have no effect because it's in the 5% that we can see. Neither should the sun have any effect on Jupiter becuse it too is in the 5%. It seems that dark matter does not live in our neighborhood (nobody has found it yet, and not from lack of trying)and so thus the universe is not isotropic.

The sun is not in my room.

How can dark matter affect the trajectory of stars when it can't even affect the trajectory of my pencil? Gravity is gravity. There should be an effect on my pencil if it is really here.

If the universe is isotropic (according to the big bang) then where is the dark matter? It wouldn't appear to be to hard to find as it is supposed to be 95% of all matter. When I drop a pencil it falls to the floor according to the laws of physics, it doesn't fly off to the ceiling or slam into a wall manipulated by unseen stuff. No, no Wimps here in my room.

Is 13.7 b ly years the edge of the universe or not? Obviouly it it not.

Mooeypoo I do apologize for the typo, and as for spinning; I don't remember saying everything spins the same, if I did I was in error. As for spinning not being the same as orbiting, I believe it is common usage to say that something is spinning around in orbit.

Swansnot, I apologize for saying the universe is supposedly 13.7 b ly's old. It is supposedly 13.7 b years old. Again I agree with the snail analogy if galaxies are going close to the speed of light. Again another point to ponder is we see the snails as they were 12 billion years ago. They have had another 12 billion years to keep on trucking. We agree the universe is much larger than 13.7b ly's. Why are all those periodicals saying we are going to see the first galaxies when the new scopes come on line????

If there are galaxies that are at least 24b ly years apart(do we all agree?) then when they look through the new telescopes (supposed to see close to that distance) they will not be looking at the first galaxies as they all proclaim. Mooneypoo do we consider third grade math "seriosly irrevelant" and a "amusing stupidity"?

I see that basic math as been moved to pseudoscience and speculation. Interesting. I would like to appologize for saying the universe is believed to be13.7b ly old, instead of 13.7b years old. I'm used to putting ly behind numbers I guess. Hey guys it's not me but your "scientific" community that is saying (almost in every periodical you read) that the new scopes coming on line are going to show the very first galaxies at 13.7 ly's. If there are galaxies that are 24 billion light years apart this can't be right.

mooeypoo I respectfully agree to disagree. I notice you keep avoiding my point about 12 plus 12. That's okay, I offered it up to the people at wmap (CMBR gurus) and usually they give my questions prompt replies. Not this time- no answer. You can't have objects over 24 billion ly apart in a universe that is only 13.7 billion years old. That noise you here in the background is the big bang baloney falling down.

The age of the universe I don't know, but that's okay, I don't think mankind ever will. You guys keep throwing the cmbr at me like I'm supposed to defefnd it? It's a big cloud of microwave nothing that is a huge waste of time and money trying to decipher anything from. My original post on this thread I offered up to wmap (the cmbr honchos) and as of yet no reply. Usually they reply promptly, but I can see their dilemma. You can't have objects 24b ly away in a universe that is only 13.7 ly old. Unless of course we are the center, and I don't believe anybody believes that.

Moo, You say you showed me why things don't spin and "crushed" my theory?? Allow me to contradict. Asteroid, satellites,moons, planets, stars, and yes even galaxies are spinning in orbit. You cling on to the bb without putting up a defense to my formula 12 plus 12 equals 24. If 12 plus 12 equals 24 then the cmbr measurements are wrong, and then the bb is wrong. If the bb is wrong, we need a more logical theory, and if you have one that is more logical than mine I would like to hear it. Edtharan Your comment, that space moved faster than the speed of light carrying matter with it; would still mean that the matter was traveling faster than the speed of light

Martin, refer to post no. 5. You say 13.7 million. What I gather from your posts, is that you want me to defend my theory using cmbr. I believe the cmbr is a haze of microwaves that has been emitted by billions of galaxies over billions of years and has nothing to do with the beginning of anything. Why would I use that to defend my theory. No one has offered up a logical defense to my formula of the universe being over 24b ly old. The best you can come up with is you can't see over 14 b ly?? Even if galaxy A can't see galaxy B, it is still there and thus the universe has to be over 24b years old. Which disproves wmap and the cmbr being a measurement of anything.

I agree light bends because of gravity. I disagree the gravity is caused by dark matter. If light does not stop at 13.7b ly and continues on doesn't this support my theory. I'm saying if you can see a galaxy 15b ly away this disproves all the data wmap(the leading authority) has on the cbr. And if the cbr is wrong it only follows that the bb which relies heavily on the cbr is wrong.

To Klaynos There are some blue shifted galaxies, but definitely in the minority. Why more don't show up as blue shift I don't know. To Thedarkshade It's only 13.7 if your a bb boy. It's a lot bigger than that.