jeff Mitchel

Moo, You asked for an explanation of my logic, fair enough. I look at the big bang and scatch my head. Everything poofed out of something called a singularity or whatever. Uh, nobody knows what that is, or where it came from, but we know what happened the first trillionth second, We are expanding like a balloon or top of a loaf of raisin bread (which doesn't hold water because it's all isotropic.) We are accelerating because of something called dark energy, and light is bending because of something called dark matter. Nobody knows what they are either. And according to the posts 24 is not larger than 13.7 and light stops at 13.7 billion ly. And you're questioning my logic?? My theory doesn't use raisin bread.

Martin, where did you come up with 13.7 million?? Klaynos are you saying light stops at 13.7 billion miles, give or take? Lucaspa, no where Have I said we are standing still. I did say 13.7 billion light years is not how old the universe is. I know the galaxies are further away now than we see them which plays into my formula. THE UNIVERSE IS MUCH BIGGER THAN 24 BILLION LY. The universe is spinning which accounts for the galaxies red shift.

To swansont, your argument about entity on A not seeing galaxy B only holds true if his telescope is like those on earth. If he had a better scope he could see B. Even if he couldn't see B, it is there and exists making the universe much larger than NASA's 13.7 billion light years. To Martin, you ask me if I have a problem with your "standard cosmology". Yeeesss. 12 plus 12 equals 24, and 24 is larger than 13.7. Standard math.

Say you are on the Nortn Pole with a telescope and look straight up and see a galaxy "A" that's 12 billion light years away and somebody on the South Pole looks up and sees a galaxy "B" 12 billion light years away. An entity on galaxy "A" could look past earth to galaxy "B" and say that it is 24 billion light years away. This disproves wmap's version of the cbr theory which states the universe is only 13.7 billion years old. If the cbr is wrong, then the big bang, which uses the cbr as a pillar is wrong. Give the devil his due.

When you add 12 billion light years plus twelve billion light years you are not adding up time but distance. One mile plus one mile eqauls two miles.

On my last post "Galaxy Spin" I was inundated with requests for mathematical formulas that would support my theory and disprove the Big Bang. I would first like to recap my theory for those that missed it, and at the end put out the proposition that ends the Big Bang. The problem with the Big Bang Theory is that the Big Bang didn’t happen. What did happen, is happening and will happen, is Galaxy Spin. Like satellites around planets, and planets around stars, and stars around the galaxy, the galaxies themselves are turning in orbit. The Big Bang is based on three premises. One, there is cosmic background radiation everywhere; and two, the galaxies are going away from each other causing their light to be red shifted, and three there is an abundance of lighter materials. With billions of stellar furnaces, quasars, novae, super novae; present and through billions of years in the past, it would be surprising if there weren’t background radiation. As for the galaxies flying red shifted off to Neverland as the Big Bang tells you, it’s not happening. The red shift is caused because our galaxy in its’ orbit travels faster than some, thus the red shift, and slower than others, again the red shift. But there are also blue shift galaxies, ones that are coming toward us. With everything being blown apart by the Big Bang, how do they explain that? Well, they don’t. What is happening is we are gaining on some detected galaxies that are in an outer orbit, thus the blue shift, and some on an inside orbit are gaining on us, again the blue shift. If you believe in the Big Bang theory you have to believe in large sums of dark matter and dark energy. Dark matter because the light from distant galaxies is shifting; and something has to be making it shift. Dark energy because as the galaxies go away from each other they are accelerating, and, well there must be some energy causing them to accelerate. Nobody seems to know what dark matter and dark energy is. There is no dark matter. What is causing the light to shift is that the galaxies are turning in their orbit around a central unknown I call Tipperary because it’s a long, long way to go. And as for the galaxies accelerating to infinity and … They are not. This is what’s happening. Say you are in a car going ten miles an hour, and another car next to you is going ten miles an hour. There is no acceleration going on. But say the car next to you takes an off ramp. Then suddenly it appears to one another that the other car is going faster and faster, even though you are still both going ten miles an hour. Every galaxy is on its own off ramp appearing to be accelerating, but it’s still going its same orbital speed following the orbital laws of Kepler. How far away is this central unknown, Tipperary? No telling. If we were to compare it to our place in our galaxy: the distance to the nearest star; Proxima Centauri is 4.2 light years. The distance to the center of our galaxy 182,400 light years, which gives a multiplication factor of 43,428. The distance to the nearest galaxy; Andromeda is 2.2 million light years. Multiplying 2.2 million by 43,428 gives a distance to the center of galaxy spin as 95.5 billion light years. It could be a lot closer or a lot further. As of now we can only see less than fourteen billion light years; we are going to need better glasses before we see Tipperary. I call this galaxy spin entity a Whirly; I call this Whirly we are in the “S.R.T.E. Whirly”. Are there other Whirlies out there? Logically. All spinning around something even bigger. It’s time to place the Big Bang theory where it belongs, next to the flat earth theory. I expect my theory to be validated in the very near future when the Large Binocular Telescope comes on line. It is supposed to see to 14 billion light years and the WMAP puts the universe at 13.7 billion light years with a 1% probability of error. Out to 14 billion light years and further all they will see is more galaxies. If you would like to see my demonstration, it is on YouTube as (Big Bang A Bust). I would appreciate any comments (rants or raves) you may have. To disprove the Big Bang. You are on top of the north pole with a telescope, look straight up and see a galaxy "A" 12 billion light years away. Another person is on the south pole and looks down, whoops, I mean straight up and sees a galaxy "B" 12 billion light years away. An entity on galaxy "A" looking through a telescope past earth would see galaxy "B" at 24 billion light years. This would seem to prove that wmap mapping the cbr, giving the age of the universe at 13.7 billion years with a 1% chance of error is totally wrong. If the cbr is wrong, then the big bang; using the cbr as its' pillar is wrong, and comes tumbling down. Sincerely, Jeff Mitchell (The Galaxy Spin Guy)

Norse mythology??? "not in posetion of the completel facts"??? Perhaps like the third fate Atropos it is time to cut the thread. After all it is only "pseudoscience and speculation" not real science. I would like to thank those that took the time to make comments and as a parting gift (so you may sleep better at night) would like to submit I do not have a mathematical equation. But, statements like "I am a man" and "wood comes from trees" do not have mathematical equations either, but never the less are true. Again, thank you for your comments. Sincerely Jeff Mitchell (the Galaxy Spin Guy)

I predict as I said before that the Large Binocular Telescope will not see the beginning of time, nor near the beginning of time. Nor will the next telescope, or the one after that, or the one after that. As I said I am willing to bet money, but as yet no one has taken me up on their strong beliefs. We as humans foolishly believe we can know something in its finality. We are the center of the universe, the heavens revolve around the earth, we know the beginning? Going downward we have devolved into string theory, going outward into the big bang. We know nothing.

You are correct; if A does something it does not follow that B,C,D,...X,Y,Z need to do it as well. But if A does something and B does it along with C,D,E,F,G and H; it is logical to assume that I will do it as well.

My theory is based on observation, studies and logic. Everything spins or orbits from leptons, quarks, photons, gluons, electrons to asteroids, satellites, planets, stars, and if you believe my theory galaxies. I didn't pull this orbiting and spinning out of my hat. Can you say the same for the Big Bang. Can you say, oh yeah, we get big bangs all the time. No. Which is more logical. With orbiting and spinning I have a track record and you're trying to start a new railroad line.

I am amazed at how much venom my post has produced. I thought that science was a search for the true nature of things. Eh... wrong again. The Large Binocular Telescope is coming on line and is supposed to look back 14 billion years to the beginning of time. Bet you money it don"t. All they"re going to see is more and more galaxies with no end in sight. That will leave you bb boys looking for more illogic to explain it. Meanwhile the galaxies are merrily going round and round Tipperary following Kepler's laws.

I don't need to know how textiles are made, or how to do the dyeing process, or the ends and outs of fashion to pronounce the king has no clothes on! Ladies and gentlemen "The Big Bang King is Bare Butt Naked".

Not only do we know what happened the first trillionth second, now we know it was 1.6x10-35 metres in diameter (a planck). How do you measure something when there is no space? It just keeps getting logicer and logicer.

Using the phrase "very logical" to the BB? Once upon a time(whoops, sorry there was no time) a singularity(what's a singularity?) started to expand (why?) and gave off all this cmbr, so now that we know what was happening in the first trillionth second? But instead of expanding like a big ballon should we have all this acceleration and light shifting happening? Yeah, my bad, I can see all the good logic there.

If you apply Occam's razor to the big bang you immediately cut the big bangs throat in a manner that would make Jack the Ripper envious. The big bang seems to have turned into a religion. After all isn't that what a religion is, a belief in unexplainable matter ( a diety) and unexplained energy ( miracles or mysterious ways).

The biggest objection to my theory is that the cmbr is isotropic and does not come from one source. After reading my post I can see the confusion. I do not mean the cmbr is all being radiated presently. I do believe after billions of years and billions of star births, and billions of star novas, and untold quasars, and everything else out there (all isotropic of course) that cosmic background radiation would be a given. Believing it came from one source is illogical.

The problem with the Big Bang Theory is that the Big Bang didn’t happen. What did happen, is happening and will happen, is Galaxy Spin. Like satellites around planets, and planets around stars, and stars around the galaxy, the galaxies themselves are turning in orbit. The Big Bang is based on two premises. One, there is cosmic background radiation everywhere; and two, the galaxies are going away from each other causing their light to be red shifted. With billions of stellar furnaces out there it would be surprising if there weren’t background radiation. As for the galaxies flying off to Neverland as the Big Bang tells you, it’s not happening. The red shift is caused because our galaxy in its’ orbit travels faster than some, thus the red shift, and slower than others, again the red shift. But there are also blue shift galaxies, ones that are coming toward us. With everything being blown apart by the Big Bang, how do they explain that? Well, they don’t. What is happening is we are gaining on some detected galaxies that are in an outer orbit, thus the blue shift, and some on an inside orbit are gaining on us, again the blue shift. If you believe in the Big Bang theory you have to believe in large sums of dark matter and dark energy. Dark matter because the light from distant galaxies is shifting; and something has to be making it shift. Dark energy because as the galaxies go away from each other they are accelerating, and, well there must be some energy causing them to accelerate. Nobody seems to know what dark matter and dark energy is. There is no dark matter. What is causing the light to shift is that the galaxies are turning in their orbit around a central unknown I call Tipperary because it’s a long, long way to go. And as for the galaxies accelerating to infinity and … They are not. This is what’s happening. Say you are in a car going ten miles an hour, and another car next to you is going ten miles an hour. There is no acceleration going on. But say the car next to you takes an off ramp. Then suddenly it appears to one another that the other car is going faster and faster, even though you are still both going ten miles an hour. Every galaxy is on its own off ramp appearing to be accelerating, but it’s still going its same orbital speed. Sexy stuff; dark matter and dark energy. I wanted to put them in my theory, but I didn’t know what they were either. How far away is this central unknown, Tipperary. Your guess is as good as mine. If we compare it to our place in the galaxy: the distance to the nearest star; Proxima Centauri is 4.2 light years. The distance to the center of our galaxy 182,400 light years, which gives a multiplication factor of 43,428. The distance to the nearest galaxy; Andromeda is 2.2 million light years. Multiplying 2.2 million by 43,428 gives a distance to the center of galaxy spin as 95.5 billion light years. It could be a lot closer or a lot further. As of now we can only see less than fifteen billion light years; we are going to need better glasses before we see Tipperary. I call this galaxy spin entity a Whirly; I call this Whirly we are in the “S.R.T.E. Whirly”. Are there other Whirlies out there? Logically. All spinning around something even bigger. It’s time to place the Big Bang theory where it belongs, next to the flat earth theory. Thank You. If you would like to see my demonstration, it is on YouTube as (Big Bang A Bust). I would appreciate any comments (rants or raves) you may have. My email address is galaxyspin@yahoo.com. Sincerely, Jeff Mitchell (The Galaxy Spin Guy)