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Well, seems okay to me as long as you're sure the first equation works, but who knows, I've said some pretty stupid things lately, so don't quote me on it.... Just a question, what did you want it for, fire retardant?

woooohhhh, why the hostility? seriously, I wasn't offensive was I? I mean.... I thought methanol has lots of things to do with it.... thats what our friend wanted, right....? seriously, if you want to talk, just pm me, I know I'm not the very smartest of all the people on here, but I really like science and I'm learning (look at some of my beginning posts any you can see that....) but feel free to tell me if I'm wrong, you don't have to start cursing... and I would welcome the correction edit: OH! Jeez, sorry, I just reread a little bit more closely.... menthol is quite different from methanol.... now I feel a lot stupider.... oh well, my mistake

you're right, I don't have much excuse for it either anyway, the reson I didn't suggest distillation was because when you heat those things up, its pretty tough to control, and your setup would have to be pretty tough to withstand that power!

Well, usually methanol is a liquid at room temp, so I'm not sure it would be measured in lbs.... As for your diagrams, I searched google for a little bit and couldn't find it, thats not to say that someone else will.... It might just be easier to look up the values yourself and make your own graph, or even expirimentally test it methanol is antifreeze (ALTHOUGH SOMETIMES THERE ARE OTHER ANTIFREEZES, like Naphthalene so be sure you check what you're getting by looking at the back of the bottle or check an msds for the particular product) so you could buy it from a gas station I guess, but if you want to buy it elsware... http://store.hvchemical.com/search.htm?step=2&viewfrom=1&numresults=10&searchterm=methanol

thanks for the help.

Hmm, well, a few things 1) If you freeze your solution, you will effectively purify it to nearly 100% because water freezes at 0 degreese celcius and will be solid. 2) Supercooling just means that a liquid goes below its freezing point without freezing. It can happen somewhat easily. To solve this, you just need to add some teflon or glass chips (search boiling chips in google and look at those) and it will provide a nucleation site for the crystals to fall out of the solution at the proper freezing point. 3) As for the methanol, I can't see why that would be added. It would just be more expensive to produce, and the MSDS says that it is not at all flammable, so I don't think that it would have any in it. That too, however, if added, would freeze out at a certain temperature (or just be left as a liquid after the nitric solidified).

What happens when NaCl dissolves in water is that the Na+ gets surrounded by the oxygen atoms (water) and the Cl- gets surrounded from the hydrogen atoms (water). So in effect, whats happening is your water molecules are ripping apart the ionic structure and getting in the way of that Na-Cl bond. http://gold.cchem.berkeley.edu/Pictures_and_Images/NaCl.jpg In this picture, the teal blue sphere represents the Cl, and the brighter blue represents the Na. Notice how the hydrogen (gray) surrounds the Cl ion and the oxygen (red) surrounds the sodium. This is a great great video that explains everything very well, but be patient because it takes several minutes to load. http://yteach.co.uk/page.php/resources/view_all?id=salt_acid_base_water_reaction_product_reactant_precipitation_thermal_decomposition_page_1&from=search

An ion simply means that an electron(s) has been lost or gained by an atom. For example, Na+ is an ion of Na, Cl- is an ion of Cl when you write Na+, it implies that Na has lost an electron already to the Cl- atom. This usually happens when a solid dissociates in a liquid, for example when NaCl dissociates in water, it forms a solution with water, Na+ ions, and Cl- ions. Once NaCl has formed, however, the Na has effectively lost its electron to Cl, but this is resultant of the bond, so it is written together. A picture of the lattice structure of NaCl may also be worth a gander. I wouldn't call it inconsistant, a better definition of an ion is electron(s) have been lost or gained by an atom

I was aware I was also aware, again, not being rude, but I have researched this extensively. I have access to an pc "junk" shop, which actually has quite the business in these dealings... I am certainly not trying to make a profit by any means, its just a little expiriment I wanted to try.

I'll start out with a general foreword, I have done a little research, but instead of just shooting this down immediately, I would appreciate some responses. Not sure if I'm going to pursue this yet, but I have access to large quantities of used pc's. I saw another sfn thread that dealt with aqua regia reclimation. http://www.scienceforums.net/forum/showthread.php?t=30751 But then I came across this. http://www.freepatentsonline.com/3957505.html Now generally, I think that I understand this. When it said, iodide-iodine solution, do you think that means like a potassium iodide solution? It can't be liquid iodine because of iodine's sublimation.... As for reducing agents, something like Aluminum.... As for oxidizing agents, something like Chlorine.... any faulty reasoning here?

read the back of the bottle, sometimes it tells you if anything else is added. Is it just a sort of clearish liquid? as for separating them, thats gonna be tough if you want to keep both of the acids in tact. the first thing that comes to mind is distillation.... do you have a distillation set? if not, maybe freezing would work. it would certainly concentrate the acids in the process. it depends on the melting points for the purity/grade that you have, as well as if there are any other add-ins. I don't know, but one of the freezing points could be -50 degreese

look up an msds for your particular product. you should be able to find one online, and it will give you the concentrations of the acids.

I think that thats what must have happened

True, it would literally have to be a little "incubation box" with gloves.

What happens when you mix sodium bicarbonate and citric acid? It looked like something blue was formed formed. I am not sure because I remember seeing this reaction a long time ago, but I think that one or both of them dissolved in either vegtable oil or water? I know that this is vague, but any help would be appreciated.

There is less than a .001% chance that it had something to do with the air. Gold is extremely hard to oxidize, so there is almost no way that the air would have affected it. Who exactly was your supplier? And I'm sure that I can speak for all of us in saying that we love science, and we are happy to help.

I do agree, gold is very resiliant, and it is suprising. You didn't heat the solution, did you? maybe the sodium hydroxide was molteon

Hmm, gold is extremely unreactive, however, lye, sodium hydroxide, is extremely reactive. It can easily react with many metals, and I think what happened is that the NaOH (sodium hydroxide, lye) reacted with your gold to make [ce]Au(OH)3 [/ce](gold hydroxide). Gold hydroxide is usually a darkish brown. It is possilbe however, something else happened. The gold might have catalized a reaction that would not have normally happened between some of your "ingredients". One thing that you could do to test what is happening is put a gold flake in a small amount of lye solution on its own and wait for a little bit. See if the same thing happens to your gold flake, then I would guess that it is probably gold hydroxide. By the way, where did you get your 24K gold? And, if it is gold hydroxide, there is not really anything that you can do from stopping this reaction from happening apart from coating your gold with teflon or some rediculous and outlandish act. You could use something besides sodium hydroxide though. I'm not familiar with soap making, but if you know of another way to make it using different chemicals that aren't so corrosive, maybe that would work. However, gold hydroxide is not very stable, and it decomposes when exposed to light. If your soap is already set (again, i'm not very familiar with soap making) and no more raw sodium hydroxide will be exposed to your gold, try putting it around noon out in the sun. It may take quite some time, but you may notice some general improvement (this also depends on how light-impervious your soap is).

hahahahahahaha lololol ROFL oops I was thinking about the customary Fahrenheit

The biggest problem is that nitric acid is very volitile when it is concentrated. Just remember, while you have something very hot, you must have something very cold to keep the volitility down, at least until you can transfer it to its container. Also, I would recommend teflon-coated boiling chips. Hot sulfuric/nitric mix (which is what you will have in your boiling flask) would not look to kindly upon certain materials, and if you're not careful, maybe it will even make a nitro compound on your boiling chips! -just a possiblility, and besides, you're smarter than that... right?

I'm apsolutely positive that I didn't heat it up more than in my pocket, but that was more than 80 degrese... it was rated N45 I do remember once I left it stuck to a metal chair all night, and in the morning it was a little bit weaker here is actually the exact place where I got it http://cgi.ebay.com/1-x-2-N45-Rare-Earth-Neodymium-NdFeB-Cylinder-Magnet_W0QQitemZ360077698744QQihZ023QQcategoryZ53142QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

The wierdest part was that I kept it in a place that was one foot away from any other metallic object. Maybe the paint on my wall has metal in it or something....

You look at the Ka (acid dissociation constant). This might be helpful to you http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strong_acid Very basically put (and ignoring some other factors), an acid is stronger when it will ionize more completely in water and form the hydronium ion.

well, I got it in like october or something, I used it to help me make ferrofluid and other small projects, other than that, I basically touched it to every single metal within arm's reach for about two weeks... I did notice a slight loss of power after that period, and I guess it just continued.

nope, no bashing or anything. It was wierd, it just kinda got weaker over time. I couldn't run a strong current through it or anything?