Aristarchus in Exile

Okay .. if this forum does not welcome beginners to science, you should remove the misleading invitation. Do you expect newcomers to substantiate every statement, idea, fact, as if they are writing a PHD thesis? Am I a newcomer to science? I have no formal education but scored third year university levels on mature student application testing. But because I have no PHD or Masters or even Bachelors I might be able to claim beginner status, and you can view me as an unlearned and naive young person despite the 170 IQ I scored in high school. Up to you. Here is support for a claim I made in this thread. The main risk factor for developing cervical cancer is infection of the cervix with human papillomavirus (HPV). Read more: http://www.cancer.ca/canada-wide/about%20cancer/types%20of%20cancer/causes%20of%20cervical%20cancer.aspx?sc_lang=en#ixzz1bpvMzOUw If you don't know that Steve Jobs had intense hatred for Goodle and Android :"Just stop using our ideas!" You don't read newspapers or follow hi tech personalities and developments. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transurethral_resection_of_the_prostate might support the Canadian Cancer Society pamphlet which said surgery of this type can spread the cancer throughout the bloodstream. I don't have time to read the Wiki article at this time. Surgery is risky. Many people die from hospital derived infection. Some cancers respond well to some surgeries, others do not. I repeat, if you expect a poster on these forums to be PHDs, say that in your introduction.

Different? It seems to me that Dark Energy and my bubbles are the same to a great degree .. they are both theoretical. The Constant is a measurement which has changed numerous times with what are called more accurate measurements. My bubbles are theorized bubbles known as voids. Dark Energy is said to be pervasive. Dark Energy is said to be a factor in the Big Bang theory .. my bubbles where formed from quantum fluctuations, originating with no singularity, no explosion, originating either from a sprinkling through space, or fluctuations resulting from a wave of some sort travelling through space, a wave perhaps originating from God's voice. This topic does involve God, so I'm not deviating. Whether my anti-gravity bubbles are a component of gravity or not I don't know .. is anti-matter a component of matter? By the way, the accelerating expansion .. I believe it may have been you who said it was a factor of time rather than distance (?) If it was you, can you explain the difference between 'the further out in space we go' and 'the further out in time we go.' I have no idea of what the difference might be, except that if it is time, then the entire universe is expanding at an accelerated pace rather than the farther reaches. Is this accurate? I will repeat myself again that I do not feel persecuted. You speak of cherry picking well cherries are sweet when ripe. You also are cherry picking. My view of science is that it should concentrate on discovery. My view is that with so many flaws in Big Bang it is not acceptable TO ME, and I present an alternative which is not acceptable TO YOU. There is no big problem. You and I are not competing for research funds. This forum should be a place where people can discover while being entertained. You provide what you think is knowledge for me to discover, I do the same. I try to explain why I can't trust consensus and why I think it harms discovery, (Aristarchus, Quasi Crystals). I have no problem accepting that you don't accept my views, but you do have a problem with my not accepting your views. I don't understand why you have that problem, but I accept it as they way you are in this case. There is no need for frustration. We should relax and enjoy the conversation.

Curouser and Curiouser .. Nasa Apod is featuring, again, after several years, the photo which initiated my idea for waterballs in space. http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap111024.html

Why is Einstein so ignored here? "Imagination is more important than knowledge." Yes, he did say that. It is also well known by anyone reading his life and work that he imaged his ideas. Because he was also a physicist and mathematician he could explain his ideas in a way that could be understood by his peers. I am not physicist or mathematician, but I don't even have to imagine cosmic voids, they are said by the topnotch experts to be fact, they have been measured, they are said to be roughly spherical. No one knows why they exist. They are said to be impossible according to the standard model Big Bang. They violate the 'smooth' Cosmic Background Radiation and homogenity of space. I put them to use as being bubbles of anti-gravity, driving space apart, space carrying the galaxies with the expansion. I suggest, but remember, I only suggest, without demanding anyone believe me, then, the possibility that galaxies are not flying 'through' space. If Einstein were alive I am very sure that he and I could have a good conversation about my idea. He would not heap insult and demand equation. His simplicity of thought opened his mind to vision and ideas, and he was open to others' ideas, willing to give those others his time. Now, if you can prove to me why my idea is wrong, please do so, because, like I have been told a few times on this forum, I cannot prove my theory true.

Martyr? I fail to understand. Words share meanings, but generally have the same root. Research? When I got my cancer I read everything I could find on the subject. I learned, for instance, that the Human Papiloma Virus (HPV) causes cervical cancer. The HPV virus is found on the anus. During lustful sex people can transfer from the anus into the vagina. Is there a connection do you think? That should show that I have researched. Would you now like me to make a list of book titles and authors, dates published, publishers' names, where the book can be found? What scientific equation was used in the bindings? Please forgive the last little sarcasm. You, as someone personally involved with the pain cancer can cause, should welcome the knowledge of someone who gives first hand personal experience of survival lasting 15 years .. far from anecdotal. That knowledge I have included .. here's abit more, prayer to God contributed to my survival and current general good health. And, if you want a further 'theory', I believe prostate cancer can be caused by that same HPV virus making its way up the urethra, through the urethra walls, into the prostate, where it works the same work as on the cervix. Unfortunately, I cannot find an equation to fit. I cannot also find response from the medical profession, probably because of the political incorrectedness of saying that some forms of sex are dirty. OOps, the last post I posted (to Bignose?) was directed to you, mooeypoo, as I thought you had posted the rsponse. The images on the computer screen jump around. Am I expected to hire a research assistant or two? Was Einstein required to provide proof that "imagination is more important than knowledge." I do not claim that psychological state cures cancer. I state psychology was used to treat cancer, and should be used. I state that abandoning negative emotion (psychology) will have a positive effect on health, including cancers. This should not be surprising as Ying and Yang etc are very popular concepts among many people.

Science is also a 'religion' because most scientists congregate with like minded people instead of remaining independant and open minded. Let's keep in mind what true religion is: James 1:27 (Whole Chapter) "Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world." I said "I have read that sex is the major industry." I have also read that many of the women you describe in the sex trade there would be classified as children here, which is why caucasians from countries like Canada where I live go there, to escape the laws of this society, to exploit girls and women whose lusts for material goods, not food, drive them to the streets in the same way lust for drugs and shiny material things drive Canadian girls and women to the streets to sell themselves. I will repeat that God is a righteous judge. With one-third of Canadians dying of cancer, and another third dying of heart disease, it should be obvious that God is not partial to nations, and that I am not partial to 'blaming' everyone else outside of my nation, and I will also repeat that I am not the judge, just the observer. Speaking of offense, a word in the King James Bible, 'abominable' is now the object of a court case accusing hatred and involving the homosexual-lesbian community. Will the King James bible be burned because of the word 'abominable'? We will just have to wait and see. I get my information from the bible, not Brett Palmer or videos or radio programs or television on Sunday morning or even 'church' on Sunday morning. The bible is accurately translated into English so there is no need to speak or read Greek, Hebrew or Aramaic. You fail twice to provide a biblical reference to your description of what the bible says of the earth being a flat disc covered by a dome. I also cannot at this time, because I don't own a Strong's Concordance, locate the scripture where it says 'the earth is a sphere suspended on nothing.' My knowledge of what Muslims believe comes from Muslims, many of them I have talked with, they are unanimous that Jesus Christ is the Messiah who will return to destroy the anti-Christ. They do not believe Jesus is the son of God, as they say God has no son. In science, what is thought by enough people to be true becomes consensus, which makes it extremely difficult to receive research funding for anything outside the consensus. Aristarchus of Samos declared that the earth orbited the sun, that the sun was the centre of the solar system. The consensus of his day exiled him and his truth was not 'discovered' fior 1,800 years. Scientific history is chock full of such examples. Read what Linus Pauling had to say about Quasi Crystals. Scripture says "seek and ye shall find." God wants us to find him and makes it possible. Pear shaped so they say. There are no religious wars unless you consider love of money a religion. Wars are ALWAYS made to enrich a group. Sometimes religion is used to recruit murderers, it is true, 'let's kill those barbaric protestants (who happen to own some nice sheep pastureland.) Or, let's kill those Catholic widows (who happen to own some nice tenemant properties.) Of course, nationalism can be a religion too, so, in the case of WW1 and WW2, 'let's kill those Germans' (who happen to have the best manufacturing and technology and who put the anglos, canadians and americans off the world marketplace.) Now it's 'let's kill those dirty arab Muslims (who happen to own the oil.) $$$$$$ - worship it!

Well THANK you Phi. You are a gentleman and a scholar. I've just sent you a personal message by the way, relating to the Jesuit threat. Using a netbook on a high table makes for inaccurate typing. Basically, summing up, the Old Testament foretold the New Testament. The New is what we have to grasp hold of for our lives.

My post was in the form of a question, not a theory, but I can see I'm headed quickly to the land of the banished. I guess this is a typical internet forum after all. I will be expected to provide an equation for the sugar to caffeine ratio in the coffee on my table next ., that is, the coffee I'm drinking when on the forum, not the coffee at home or in another cafe. Phew!

I did say that was the best I could do at that time. I don't own a concordance or a perfect memory. True, the earth is said to be pear shaped blah blah blah but it's still viewed and taught as spherical, except in the rarified circles you and I congregate in, the upper echelon of the super brain blah blah. All I know is that God is a righteous judge. Remember Sodom? Was that the result of somneone kicking a candle over during an orgy? I said nothing about a few backpackers. I have read that sex was the major industry in Phuket. But there I go again, spouting without confirmation or references. You place me in a position of honour I am unworthy of, obviously, as the church is hiding from me also. The RC organization forbids their priests to marry, 1 Timothy 4:1m,2 3 says they have departed from the faith. At least you can check that scripture out, I think it's the correct one, but I haven't quite learned how to use this internet system perfectly in order to bring the scripture up right now. Jestapo, Gestapo, Jesuits, similar except the Jesuits have more power than a hundred Nazi Germanies. Yes, the yellow pages 'churches' claim to have the truth, so why don't they follow it? Why do they support war when Jesus preached clearly against it? If the Jesuits thought I was a threat they would do something about it .. but what threat am I talking to a bunch of whacked out science fanatics? I'm no threat to the yellow pagers either as love of money has taken the fight out of them. The Old Testament of which you speak foretold the New Testament. Take hold of the New. 'Sripture is not open to any private interpretation, but Holy Men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.' Muslims have imperfect knowledge, but they do know that Jesus is the Messiah who will return and destroy the anti-Christ empire which I am quite sure is the present new world order but which also was the old world order.

No .. my idea is not the same as negative pressure of the vacuum, it is anti-gravity, in the form of bubbles known as Voids. I haven't studied the math necessary to do equations you ask for, but I also don't accet that science is not science without that math. Einstein's quote found in my signature gives my reason. Personally, I find the vurulent opposition to Plasma Cosmolgy suspicious (nasa apod forum forbids its discussion for instance) as if Big Bangers think they have something to fear, that they can't explain, whatever. Further, I seem to recall reading something in the newspaper not long ago that more precise measurements of the CMB suggests it is not consistant with expectations. Also, this topic has strayed enormously from its subject. But, that's how things go sometimes. P.S. Agrees with Whose reality?

Sorry to hear about your friend. You're using the time honoured "I can make statements without providing proof but you cannot" dictum. No fair, and rather immature. The burden of proof to support your statements is on you as much as on me to support mine, no more no less. If this particular internet discussion on cancer was my whole life, I would provide statistics. Scientific data does support medical intervention being unsuccessful in prostate cancer survival .. as reported in the mainstream media lately .. and again, I don't carry around a one ton sheaf of newspapers filed into categories with references and tabs. I did not say psychotherapy or simple emotional balancing is a definite cure or the only cure .. I suggest it as treatment, ESPECIALLY for anyone ignorant of its value, of which there must be many as it certainly hasn't been suggested to me by any doctor I have seen DESPITE its huge value. Did I mention that I also improved my lifestyle? My diet? Lowered my alcohol consumption? Avoided excessive and unnecessary physical exertion which drains the body of energy needed for healing? Did your friend seek professional psychotherapy? Some things are VERY deeply rooted. Fortunately for me my childhood and marriage failures are mostly very plainly remembered, I don't have to dig to the cause of unhappiness, and now that I'm more mature (I have a 21 year old grandaughter) I can admit my part in my adult failures, so I don't escape by laying blame on others.

You could at least follow your own advice and provide a url to support your claim of the flat disc which I KNOW is not in the bible. This scripture is the best I can do right now. Isa 40:22[it is] he that sitteth 3427 upon the circle 2329 of the earth 776 Yes, that's what the scripture says indeed. If we can't truat nature, who can we trust. Let's not forget WW2. "Love of money is the root of all evil," saith the Lord. Let's alsonot forget elementary school cliques.

Entertaining way of posting. Thanks.

The evidence that hatred is huge in our population is seen in Road Rage and Normal Driving Practices. I think the correlation is strong, because a huge percentage of drivers drive as if they hate everyone else on the road and sidewalk, and as cancer claims 1/3 of deaths. Steve Jobs also succumbed to medical treatment. In medical treatment, cutting into a cancer can spread cancerous cells throughout the body, where they begin cancers in various organs. Jobs also had tremendous hatred problems, especially for Google and Android. Canadian Cancer Society information went a long way to dissuade me from having a surgery which two urologists wanted to do but which was not necessary .. cancer is a moneymaker. I have survived 15 years. I am very active, and make solo canoe trips of up to 10 weeks. The term malignant has many related meanings. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malignant_narcissism When I got my cancer I read every book and article I could find. Statistics show a strong relationship between cancer deaths and personality problems, particularly in personalities which have a long history of failures and frustrations in life. As current medical intervention is said to have no positive effect on, for instance, prostate cancer survival, I suggest the medical profession return to psychotherapy for treatment, to reinforce the acceptance of failure as a natural part of life, and to improve a person's ability to effect success. In my case I have NO doubt that a long history of unhappiness, anger and hatred (broken home childhood, two broken marriages, no career success) had a HUGE part of my medical condition and also contributed to my failures because I reacted with anger instead of careful thought. I recently also seem to have brought my kidney stone attacks to a seeming end when I decided that my anger and hatred was harming no one but myself. Kidney stones are often caused by a chemical imbalance, too much acid, the old 'bile' personality.

I checked 'lambda' and Dark Energy on W@ikipedia. I seem to find find lambda associated with but not the same as Dark Energy. http://en.wikipedia....ambda-CDM_model My research says Lemaitre first suggested the "Primeval Atom' in 1931 at the British Association meeting, two years after Hubble "Empirically" derived the Constant, which Lemaitre had approximated. While Redshift was known, and suggested expansion of the universe, I have not found the 'explosion of the primeval atom' theorized before Lemaitre in 1931, so 1931 could mark the beginning of Big Bang theory. http://en.wikipedia....s_Lema%C3%AEtre Iggy and Phi, including urls for reference would add much credibility to your posts, would speed the conversation and understandings. Did I mention my anti-gravity bubble expansion requiring or denying Dark Matter? I can't recall. It does deny the need for Dark Energy. What would be needed to institgate interest in my theory would be measurements of Voids, to see if they are expanding, because Voids are what I propose anti-gravity bubbles to be. The 'general uniformity' of Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation' ignores the existance of voids, especially that a void is said to be the largest structure in the universe. http://en.wikipedia....Void_(astronomy) I realize that my url proposes a conventional Big Bang explanation for voids, but if Bang did not happen, that proposal is invalid. John Michell proposed Dark Stars, not Black Holes. http://en.wikipedia....ki/John_Michell It's interesting how long ago he proposed them, and that much thought is being given to the proposal that Black Holes are really Dark Stars. Thanks for bringing the amazing John Michell to my attention, especially as his could easily be another example of advanced theory being crushed by the mass of consensus.

Community and culture was necessary for survival once the Garden was locked away. Humans naturally congregate if foir noit other reason than to survive the hunt. False religion includes consensus .. consensus prevented science jnoiwuinbg theat the sun was the centre oif the solar system for 1,800 years (google Aristarchus oif Samos). The bible said in the old testament the earth is a sphere suspended on nothing (book of Job I think it is). New Testament tells us to love God with all our minds .. God is truth .. use all our minds to love truth is not a bad commandment, but sciuentuifuic consensus says, 'no need to reconsider, we have the truth." Blame false science for delay.

Can a makiugnant cancer hate? Or does the cancer become malignant because of hatred? The mind and emotiions have huge influences on health .. cancer was treated with emotional counselling (psychotherapy?) before the days of chemical and radiation treatments. I am not speaking impersonally here, I had prostate cancer, perhaps still have it. I self-treat it with temperance in lifestyle ane emotion. I'm still alive after 15 years with (or perhaps now without) it. I have had no medical intervention. Current statistics seem to state that surviving prostate cancer is not affected by current interventions. I don't know how succesful emotional counselling was.

Inflation was not evidence ... it was an idea injected to explain the evidence .. 'oh, things happened faster than we thought they did .. we'll just say things happened faster than we thought they did and call it inflation.' Fudge has to be added to carry the meal. Before Big Bang, Plasma Cosmology was the big contender. Really, if you look at the people popularity politics, and where the money for cosmology was coming from at the time Big Bang was proposed, it's clear that Hubble's connections were sources of money for research, so Plasma was tossed. Plasma must not have had any big financial backers, probably because it was pure science and not involved with toys like Mount Polamar. I'm not saying Plasma is the answer despite Plasma having huge evidences (ior it never would have been Number One). I am saying Plasma is so heavily reviled by many or most Big Bangers is because they are aware that the Bang is false, but can't go back to Plasma because of Pride and probably fear of losing friends, prestige, finances.

It is possible to prove a theory if the theory is fact. I repeat. Ask a physicist that question about variables. Please provide a url to substantiate your claim about Freidmann and Lemaitre. Hubbles law - then why where the scientists so surprised that the galaxies further out are flying faster, and why did the bring dark energy into existance to explain? A person is mean spirited by their spirit, their words merely reflect their spirit. Subtlety becomes a habit in a mean-spirited person. Try to leave it behind, you will make more friends. I was talking philosophically should be. Yes, it has become dogma for many. Yes, I do make sense. Soviet scientists. If they were proposed they were probably proposed by Russians or Poles, those scientists being the visionaries in pre-soviet days. Check out where Marie Currie came from. U.S. consensus scientists. Whatever physics model needs to be used, that's the one to use.

Well John, you gave me a chuckle, and that's a compliment to you not an insult. Yes, the problem with those who say they are believers killing people for God is that very few of them are killing for God, most of them are killing people for crude oil, diamonds, etc., and are not believers in anything except lots of $$$$$$$$$$. I think a tiny fraction of Muslims may truly believe they are killing for God, and perhaps the same tiny fraction of those who are Christians, as the mind can become deranged, and the bible in the old testament does allow foir killing for God .. but the New Testament disallows killing by believers in Jesus Christ, and that's for sure. Muslims, by the way, are by their religion supposed to believe in the old, the new, and the koran qu'ran however it's spelled. As far as earthquakes etc go natural phenomena seems to be used by God to bring us to our senses, I understand Phucket (the name gives a clue)was a hotbed similar to Sodom and Gomorah, which should be publishing huge headlines saying "Aids Killls" but can't seem to see a connection despite the statistics. And then there was the Christian in the new testatment who would not stop having sex with his father's wife, that fellow being delivered to Satan for destruction of his flesh, and coming to repentance and being saved from that destructiion and welcomed back into the church. God is judge. Should evil not be punished if the evildoer does not repent? In the supposedly 'moral' and nominally Christian country of Canada where I live 1/3 of us die from cancer, 1/3 from heart failure .. does it have something to do with the fact that we killed hundreds of thousands of chiodren in ww2 europe, thousand in Afghanistan, probably hundreds in Libya? I think it is a direct result. The earth is set for judgement .. a little earthquake killing a few tens of thousands is a trifle in the coming judgement, soon to happen, very soon.

I think the moderator's objection was misplaced and heavy handed, especialkly as this is the ||Speculation form .. must be the iron he's packing. Could you provide some urls to help us understand what you're talking about?

It's clear you think you know more than others. Big Bang came into being instantly, with the discovery that suggested galaxies are flying away from each other. Primitive thinking came into action and said, 'hey .. an explosion.' But Hubble was a prime mover in U.S. cosmolgy, so everyone jumped onto his bandwagon .. a cosensus was formed. When new evidence refuted Big Bang, Inflation was added .. then Dark Energy .. the consensus rules despite contrary evidence. Fudge. Sweet fudge to Big Bang consensus. Cosmic Microwave Background fudge .. it can be explained in other ways.

Examine the meaning of the word 'malignant.'

Big Bang is not confirmed by experiment. When 2 + 2 in Big Bangism add up to 3.1 someone adds .9, for instance, Inflation, Dark Energy, Dark Matter. Big Bang was ONLY thought of because when the discovery was made that most galaxies seem to be flying away from each other the quick answer was the primitive one, explosion, which we are familiar with since age two seeing firecrackers blow up. There are many other answers and I present one, moved to Speculation, about expansion of anti-gravity bubbles. I have presented a better explanation because it explains why the further out galaxies are the faster they are flying, without the need for Dark Energy. I don't need anyone to say, 'you're right' and don't care much if they declare it wrong, except that by doing so they have reduced their own possibilities of discovery. Scientific dogma exists because we are human, and scientists like to congregate as do all humans, birds of a feather flock together, and if you have answered 'true' to Big Bang on a test which gets you a degree which earns you big money you flock with those who answered the question 'true' .. otherwise you endure abuse such as Linus Pauling used against the discoverer of Quasi Crystals, and I use that example because it is so explicit in its meanings .. there are many more examples of consensus killing and wounding and hindering science. Your mean-spirited humaness is forgiven Iggy .. I have enough of it myself to know how difficult it is to subdue. I agree with you about what the goals of sciene should be, but disagree that they are carried out that way. The Soviet Union proposed Black Holes, and the U.S. declared the Soviets incapable of science for the next 20 years until the weight of Sioviet evidence sank through the morass of U.S. consensus. Maybe the U.S. learned something by that, because Black Hole science seems open minded to the point that it is accepted that they aren't perhaps holes at all. Perhaps Canada's Bkackberry had something to do with that open mindedness, as with the openuing of the Perimetre Instiutute in Waterloo, Ontario, funded by $250,000,000 of Blackberry profit, the U.S. decided it could not afford a closed mind .. at least that money seems to have given some respect to Loop Quantum Gravity. However, until that brand new billionaire with brand new thinking came along the consensus ruled, and even after, in one scuebnce forum funded by big U.S. money John Moffatt of Perimitre Institute for some reason or other was labelled a Nazi .. I was on that forum when it happened. Most of the forum posters were Big Bang consensus people, and none objected to the accusation. I did present an alternative to Big Bang on this forum .. it was moved to Speculation .. showing how anti-gravity bubble expansion can account for everything Big Bang accounts for without the fudging of 'expansion' and without the need for singularity. It seems nearly impossible to me that the people operating Hubble want to disprove Irwin.

First of all the Roman Catholic 'church' was an organization preceeded by about 300 years by the true Christian church which began in Jerusalem on the day of Pentecost, therefore anything the Roman Catholic organization did or does should not reflect on the Christian church or teachings. The Douay bible which the modern RCs use says that anyone who forbids to marry has departed from the faith, the RCs forbid their priests to marry so they are not Christian. All accurate translations include that same passage, I bellieve it is 1 Timothy 4, 1 2, 3. The Jesuits were and are the secret police of the RC organization. They are dedicated to destroying the true Church and true believers, which is why the true church is in hiding, not found in the telephone book or on the web. The 'Apostles Creed' repeated in most services of most or all denominations, especially during communion, says 'The Holy Catholic Church' because the spirit cannot confess Christ, or the words would be The Holy Christian Church or phrase identifying Jesus Christ. I have no doubt I could be killed for saying these things if my influence on many was feared, in the same way bible translators and bible copyers were burned at the stake, killed by the hundreds, etc. The quote "No matter where you are you are to go to James the Just ..." is false because although James was Jesus' brother he also said false prophets would say, 'Go here, or go there .. but the kingdom of God is within you.' There is no need to go anywhere. Possibly the greatest miracle next to salvation through the blood of Jesus is that the bible is perfect, that it is available widely, that if it were followed all our earthly problems would be solved, that there would be no more war, that although there would still be poor people they would be cared for. "The poor you always have with you." I use the King James bible, but the Douay also seems perfect in every word. It is all we need. Will it survive the attack of the modern age for saying things like 'homosexuality is abomination to God' ? We will see what the future holds. The haters of truth might never see that those words are in the bible, God might blind them to them so the scripture will survive. By the way, Muslims hold that the old as well as the new testament are true. Yes, 'the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair and took them for wives.' I don't have all the answers in my mind .. but I know they are in the book. Whatever the answers are, everything I learn of science confirms that God was an intelligent being who created all, and that we will find eternity a lovely place .. that is the comfort of believing the scriptures, above all else. Here in Ottawa, Canada, exists an Elvis Sighting Society. I will ask them about Shergar.