Christopher Ball

Would I be right in thinking that this Earth Science Forum is to ask questions but not to question? On a commercial beach I look at the pebbles a yard above the high tide mark, they are most interesting. From there up the beach the pebbles become more round, sphere shape, and the further down towards the sea edge, the shingle and grit become predominately rectangle, triangle shape, and further down the beach the sand becomes square? Surely this action should be the other way around, round at the shoreline and odd shaped at the top? Sunny clear water shores have sand whereas rough dirty shores have pebbles, again' surely this should be the other way around, and then there's the coloured layers, each pebbles clearly show multi coloured layers, scuffed at there edges

It is reality pebbles reduce to sand, it is a fact, but it is wrong, and quite the reverse. And when the pyramids were built the limestone started as a manageable material and hardened over time and eventually will crumble just like your garden wall.

I Do consider this question one of the most stupid ones because you're not listening - as I have said before 'input is greater than output' and as for saying why aren't pebbles made of sandstone … well' … what sandstone has to do with beach pebbles leaves me at a loss, again' you are not listening possibly because you don't want too, see my first post. It does seem that I've been talking to people who can't think for themselves … and you call yourselves "scientists" … Crikey! … You should relish the challenge of new ideas, or at least keep an open mind to new ideas … but you lot take the biscuit It would be easier to start your journey of enlightenment from the easy end rather from the most difficult end

I thought I had answered all the questions, even the most stupid ones. It's a theory that you can take on board or not. Please don't say 'not' because even the most obstinate critique eventually aspires to the tidemark = pebbles scenario, or at least it opens a sealed shut mind

Thank you for your compliment The moderators, who are speaking for science, seem very frightened of the Reverse Theory. On the science forum.com, they, like you, pushed my thread out of sight, away from Earth Science to Pseudoscience, and when I started another thread on the religion forum I was instantly banned, not for a matter of a few days but forever. This forum,science forum.net, is doing the same; you have pushed my theory out of sight, again from Earth Science to Speculations, and when I started a new thread on the religion forum, ie, nothing to do with science, it was instantly closed down. I can only presume therefore that the moderators are sweeping my theory under the table because they are frightened of it. And I'll say it again' there is nothing to be frighten of as both theories tell their own story, although both paint a different picture. If pebbles are formed by erosion' it tells the story that we all live by today, ie, evolution, and if pebbles are formed by the process of tidemark' then that tells another story. The latter however, explains how the pyramids were built, and solves many other mysteries, whereas your erosion theory leaves questions unanswered. Again' thank youfor your compliment … albeit in a strange way

Anybody' be itmale, female, cat or dog, who can keep biblical text alive and away from trampling geologists, is ok by me. I bow to the faith of the faithful who against allodds are 'proved' to be right. And I don't mean the science faithful' who will slam the door in your face even on a religious forum. They have built their house on Sand and it's about to come tumbling down

An optical illusion has befallen mankind on an unprecedented scale and sent our thoughts tumbling in the wrong direction. Its discovery will answer some of the world's greatest mysteries. It will uncover previously hidden and untold truths and, as a result, all current thinking around the age of this planet will be questioned. Mankind Wondered … 'How long did it take that pebbled beach to look like that sandy beach? Science put a time-span to the erosion process and the conclusion was … aeons. They quote' nature took 'A Thousand Million Years' to turn solid rock into boulders' boulders into pebbles' and pebbles into all the sand in the world. This geological time-span was used as a baseline for dating everything from evolution to the laws of physics, and the time-span is wrong, clearly wrong because Beach Pebbles' get 'Bigger' not smaller. Beach pebbles are formed by the process of 'Tidemark' … a tidal layering process. It's the same process as a wash basin when a thin layer of grime builds up around the inside; albeit sea-basin or wash-basin the process is the same. 'Dirty water bigger tidemark'. Correct the baseline and you will find that six thousand years ago, when the Pyramids were built, limestone was soft, very similar in density to today's lightweight building blocks? You could cut limestone with a piece of wood, let alone a piece of copper, and remember there was no iron or steel in those days, our pyramids were built using only copper tools. At the time' limestone was the perfect building material, a bit like huge lumps of dense dried cuttlefish that has hardened over the years, like thebaking of a cake. Correct this geological error and you will also find the planet is not old enough to mould modern man from a monkey let alone from absolutely nothing? Reverse your 'pebble to sand equation' and Evolution' ie' Monkey to Man' …becomes the 'Reverse Theory' and thus revealing a path to another dimension Tidemark + Tidemark = Pebbles Each dirty tide leaves behind a residue that dries and bonds to the shore. The building process starts when three or four grains of sand bond together. The next incoming tides fill the divots with dirty mucky salty seawater, which again dries. Next incoming tide leaves behind another coat which again dries. The process continues until small grit is formed. Again' the same thing happens until large pieces of grit are formed, until shingle is formed, until small pebbles are formed. Eventually the larger pebbles get pushed up the beach away from the grinding waves where input becomes greater than output. Nature building its own sea defense, I call it 'nature'stoilet'.

My dear learnedfriends … Move this thread back to where it should be, Earth Science, and I willanswer all your questions, failing this I suggest you read ‘Reverse Theory’which I think you can find on Amazon books GoodLuck xx

<< This analysis disagrees. It says that flat pebbles can occur on steeper shores, and that the flatness is due to increased transport, which suggests a longer period of abrasion. >> They're flat because they're not rolling around, they just get wet and dry DECEPTION ... Hopefully you are joking << What beaches are you observing these things at?! I would like to see a glue that bonds grains of sand together three or four at a time but not to other grains or clumps. >> Sandstone and every tidal beach has a water mark, some dirtier than others

<< Again,observationally untrue. How do you explain those flat pebbles we all love toskip on the water? Accretion does not explain these pebbles; erosion does.>> Our flatter pebbles are found on calmer shores, and less steep << Observationally incorrect >> An optical illusion has befallen mankind on an unprecedented scale and sent our thoughts tumbling in the wrong direction. Its discovery will answer some of the world’s greatest mysteries. It will uncover previously hidden and untold truths and, as a result, all current thinking around the age of this planet will be questioned. << I would like to see a glue that sticks grains ofsand together >> Sandstone

Yes, however, the symmetrical rings are broken rings because of the grinding of the waves between each layer. Pebbles at the top of the beach show the rings clearer than those at the water's edge. Pebbles a meter above the tide-line are the most interesting because they're starting to become perfectly shaped pebbles whereas those at the water's edge show pebbles bonding together. The mechanism is fantastic

Mankind Wondered … 'How long did it take that pebbled beach to look like that sandy beach? Science put a time-span to the erosion process and the conclusion was … aeons. They quote' nature took 'A Thousand Million Years' to turn solid rock into boulders' boulders into pebbles' and pebbles into all the sand in the world. This geological time-span was used as a baseline for dating everything from evolution to the laws of physics, and the time-span is wrong, clearly wrong because Beach Pebbles' get 'Bigger' not smaller. Beach pebbles are formed by the process of 'Tidemark' … a tidal layering process. It's the same process as a wash basin when a thin layer of grime builds up around the inside; albeit sea-basin or wash-basin the process is the same. 'Dirty water bigger tidemark'. Correct the baseline and you will find that six thousand years ago, when the Pyramids were built, limestone was soft, very similar in density to today's lightweight building blocks? You could cut limestone with a piece of wood, let alone a piece of copper, and remember there was no iron or steel in those days, our pyramids were built using only copper tools. At the time' limestone was the perfect building material, a bit like huge lumps of dense dried cuttlefish that has hardened over the years, like the baking of a cake. Correct this geological error and you will also find the planet is not old enough to mould modern man from a monkey let alone from absolutely nothing? Reverse your 'pebble to sand equation' and Evolution' ie' Monkey to Man' …becomes the 'Reverse Theory' and thus revealing a path to another dimension Tidemark + Tidemark = Pebbles Each dirty mucky salty tide leaves behind a layer of dirty mucky salty seawater, as this dirty mucky salty seawater dries it glues itself to the shore. The pebble building process starts when three or four grains of sand bond together, the next incoming tides fill the divots, again, with dirty mucky salty seawater, which again dries. Next incoming tide leaves behind another coating, which again dries. The process continues until small grit is formed. Again' the same thing happens until large pieces of grit are formed, until shingle is formed, until small pebbles are formed. Eventually the larger pebbles get pushed up the beach away from the grinding waves where input becomes greater than output. Nature building its own sea defense, I call it 'nature'stoilet'.