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I asked you to show me the money, not more meandering bullshit. Is your entire worldview rooted in dime-a-day slogans or is their something peculiar about this thread? Rev Prez

Yes. And at least seven of nine Supreme Court justices found that Black Americans were of an "inferior order." What's your point? Really, in what way? Rev Prez

Show me the money. Rev Prez

They're also untruths. But if we want to include deliberate deception, a case could be made that some recipes described as "trouble free" amount to blatant lies. We can also say that patriotism is now similar to KFC's claim that fried chicken was part of an Atkin's diet. That's easy enough to disprove. I'm quite sure you believe that stand-up comics and stage actors lie as much if not more so than the clergy and patriots. Except you can't come up with a satisfactory standard that successfully delineates religion and patriotic types from the rest. Like hearing examiners. So patriotism is like religion which is like the judiciary. That's probably because a generous view of science notes that it is concerned with empirical matters, not an ethical or aesthetic ones. On the other hand, cookbooks often do stipulate their beauty (tastes great) and righteousness (healthy eating). So is eighth grade graduation. So patriotism is like religion which is like graduating from junior high to high school. This is disingenuous. You made no distinction in your first post and you still admit you have a beef with religious and patriotic ideals. You might not have a problem with moderate drug use per se, but that doesn't mean you don't consider it to lie on a spectrum that includes Tyrone Green. Rev Prez

Well that's a complete load of bull. Replace "patriotism" with "love for country," "religion" with "belief in the supernatural," and "politician" with "agent setting and implementing public policy" and you have a pretty wordy and generally useful claim. You apparantly assert there are communicative features of religious persuasion that are unique only to believers expressing religious belief and patriots expressing their patriotism. I really doubt you believe that. In fact, I suspect you really want to argue that the social phenonoma of patriotism in Country X's history (say, American history) is structurally similar and possibly correlates to the social phenomona of religion in said country. If that's the case, we're a long way from such a moronically general claim that "patriotism is like religion" followed by a string of moronically foolish truisms. But just for kicks, why don't you clear up exactly what you mean by coopting "elements of religion" to make a "potent" political case? Rev Prez

Well, to avoid too much controversy with the definition of "lie," there are hoaxes and actual incidence of fraud that make their way onto journal pages. A more generous definition would extend to cookbooks with typos. This should adequately illustrate why your claim that religion and patriotism "propagate lies" is unproductive to the point of being meaningless. In that case, we can include scientific journals on the grounds that hoaxes and fraud are by definition intentional. So now we can say "patriotism is like religion and Physical Review." Hell, I'll be generous. Call it Physical Review D. We all know what your point was. You've got a beef against religion and patriotism and want classify them to the exclusion of things you find commendable. Fair enough. My aim is to point out the stupid extremes you have to go to do so. Most value systems purport that it is good to believe in its correctness. So now we can say "patriotism is like religion, charitable giving, and not tripping over untied shoe laces." Already have. You can't even show that patriotism is like religion in any way that's meaningful even to yourself. Why should any such parallel be meaningful to the rest of us? Rev Prez

Thanks, that clears a hell of a lot up for me. I'll take a look over at PF. Rev Prez

Okay, we're just talking about a Cartesian product, so the coordinate space is just given by some tangent space in Rn and Rm. Rev Prez

So do forms of entertainment like print fiction or TV sitcoms. Or forms of nonfiction like scientific journals and cookbooks. What's your point? Rev Prez

A quick question about Bachman's A Geometric Approach to Differential Forms. I've read: 1. [imath]T_{p}\mathbb{R}^n[/imath] to mean "the tangent space of some path/surface in [imath]\mathbb{R}^n[/imath]" and, 2. [imath]T_{p}\mathbb{R}^n \times \mathbb{R}^m[/imath] to mean "some (n-1)*m dimensional space of real numbers." I haven't run into any problems using this definition but I think it would make the text easier to read if I actually understood what was going on (especially in the second example. Rev Prez

The broadest definition patriot in in OED, "[a] person who loves his or her country, esp. one who is ready to support its freedoms and rights and to defend it against enemies or detractors," restricts its application to persons who: 1. recognize the exceptionalism of their country, 2. supports a consistent of social and political principles associated with that country, 3. is provoked to action by threats to his country's security and reputation. Now we can waste all day arguing whether the Left (or the ACLU and hippies in your example) generally meet conditions 2 or 3. However, 1 is usually the sufficient dealbreaker. Since the late 1960s the Left has actively traded in American exceptionalism (not to be confused with nationalism) for an internationalist worldview. This is why the serious definition of patriotism generally has both a positive (from the right) and negative (from the left) connotation; the right disdains internationalism and the left argues that patriotism undesirably competes with an international value system. The former is an expression of patriotism, albeit a possibly shallow one from many perspectives (and therefore, a ridiculous cheap shot in discussion). The latter refers to the kernel of nationalism's definition--love for the state--rather than to the sum of social features that defines the kernel of patriotism's "love for country." Because the ACLU and the USA PATRIOT Act's critics are wrong, and dishonestly so in their inane quest to strike down or sunset provisions that enlarge the capability of security agencies without compromising American liberties. These are some smart people, driven by what may very well be an well-intentioned, internationalist set of convictions. But they are not patriots, they are doing something that aids and abets the enemy (however minimally), and that to me at least qualifies as treason. Rev Prez

Not in any meaningful way; that is to say in no way that does not yield yield similar parallels between patriotism and secularism, or atheism, or belief in the tooth fairy. Rev Prez

That's not an interesting common thread. Any manner of intuition involves faith. Rev Prez

It's a remarkably stupid statement from people who should no better. Mala in se literally means "bad in and of themselves." Mala prohibita means "wrong because society agrees its wrong." These are fundamentaly moral assertions and all law in all functioning states draws on these claims. And the means to influence how that Constitution is interpreted or if necessary amended. The minority's view that their positions are politically and legally inviolable is factually wrong. Rev Prez

Or executed? Rev Prez

No, we--that is, the entire world--do not have much oil and gas, which is why we'll eventually have to transition. And that will require a major restructuring of the economy to reduce point of sale cost. And, in the near term, its also possible to meet US power consumption needs for a sixth of a year by detonating a single 1 MT device into a 50% efficient thermocouple. It's just not smart. Rev Prez

1. The page explicitly states that the MALA isn't responsible for misrepresentations. 2. E85 has about 10 percent less energy content that gasoline. 3. Even if we take these prices at face value, your saving less than thirty cents on average in a minimally populated state where the gasoline price hovers around two bucks. Rev Prez

Yes, because the math exposes the theory. Rev Prez

What else do you want to research? Solar and nuclear power are well understood, and hydrogen hybrids are already entering the market. On the other hand, we will have to at least begin transitioning to an alternative energy economy in about thirty or so years; hydrogen appears to be the least of the worst alternatives to fossil fuels, so what's the problem? Rev Prez

Cost. Hydrocarbons beat hydrogen by leaps and bounds at every stage except end use. You have to lick those problems before moving to a hydrogen economy; move too quickly and you'll do more harm than good. Rev Prez

Can you stop using it? You're making it difficult for people who just want to reply to part of your posts. Rev Prez

And before you buy the books, check out the articles on Wikipedia and Mathworld, these links to free tutorials and introductions, and these lecture notes from MIT and UIUC. Rev Prez