Sorcerer

Well, no, but neither were most of the comment you made.

Thx, I knew that, just needed to be refreshed in it .... So rybozymes also help catalyse the production of tRNA? I imagine they would need to since tRNA forms hairpins which would need to be straighted in order to replicate without DNA. By the way, do you know what peptide the 3 rRNA strands would encode if they were translated? If the two ribosomal subunits weren't around during abiogenesis, how would you account for 3 rRNA's being in the right place? Is only one the most important? Or do you invisage a folded larger strand, that was perhaps less efficeint that 3 seperate ones and protein, however efficient enough to suffice, then subsequently out-competed?

You may have sleep apnia(sp?), its a very serious condition, normally it requires you to wear a respirator while sleeping, I think you need to see a doctor.

Your close to having a lucid dream when you force yourself to wake up, this is because you are controlling the dream, perhaps next time try and stay asleep, it cant hurt you, its a dream.

Wouldn't it be more plausible that they are measuring real EM sources.... and not spiritual ones?

I meant the language LOL.... not the people..... its full of homonyms and synonyms, great for descriptive writing, terrible when you're trying to clearly communicate a point.

I think it may be just because we are "rusty", when we were kids we did it alot, due to frequent nightmares, at first the reaction was wake up, then it became I can control this.... perhaps we are out of practice and just wake up instead of controlling it. On a side note, I did have a couple of nightmares the other month, both on the same night, after quite a stressful day. Both were apocalyptic. The first I was in a top story room, it was like a conservatory and had glass all around.... the house was ontop of a hill and looked down into a bay, it was much like the Porthills/ Banks Peninsula here in Christchurch NZ.... anyway my dad was there and a friend of the family, we were sitting around talking and suddenly an earth quake happened, it was very big, bigger than any I've felt, I went and stood in a doorway... funny how one appeared even though the room was glass... now it was glass on 3 sides. Anyway after it was over we had a discussion about the quake, I was looking out the window and I saw this massive plume of black smoke rise up above the hills across the bay..... at that point I realised it was over, I decided to duck under a table and just before the ash hit I held my breath.... anyway I realised, next breath I'm dead.... and I woke up. After going back to sleep I had a second nightmare.... the details are rather sketchy it was one of those dreams where time and location are all mixed up, but anyway I eventually ended up in the country, I was looking across a plain toward the outskirts of a major city, urban sprawl and skyscrapers..... suddenly I see this bright white flash, I feel my skin peel off from heat and then a blast hit me..... again I wake up. It was a nuke btw. Now the main difference between these nightmares and the ones I had when I was a kid, is that these ones were immediate death. When I was a child it would often be monsters chasing me, or I would wake up in my dream, but not be awake and the door of my closet would open and something would come into the room and I couldnt move.... that was the most scary.... I still have fear of open closets LOL.....

An interesting point to make here, is that if the universe continues to expand in this way every particle will be in its own hubble volume and will not be able to observe any other. If all the particles change into their simplest form, ie energy ie photons, then all the photons will be in a "universe" of their own as part of a type II multiverse. Now for the sci-fi speculation.... These photons will be close to infinitely red shifted and thus have as little as possible energy..... however they can never have no energy, and perhaps in their own universe this energy will be seeminly infinite.... it may allow for a local contraction of space into a size close to a singularity... this would then proceed to expand in the manner of the big bang, creating new matter, just of a lower energy state than the former universes, but all the same equal, just scaled down. Have I just create a new type of multiverse?

I was reading an article in New Scientist about a month back, it had to do with the psychology of Brand names, apparently people who said they prefered Coke often chose the Pepsi in blind trials, I think this is an example of words.... perhaps maybe image, effecting taste.

I think there needs to be an "At present" added into your post, who knows what the future will bring, I think string theory is definately a more tangible theory, than say... theism.... I don't think it will ever be possible to test for the existence of God, however a test for the existence of strings may be possible one day.... I think some predictions made about strings and blackholes may allow for a test, first we need to travel out of our solar system, second we need to find a black hole ...... I think maybe its a hypothesis thats way ahead of its time, I don't think we should trash it yet: NB this thread http://www.scienceforums.net/forums/showthread.php?t=6211

Hmmm I think thats wrong. When I lucid dreamed as a child I could wipe everything.... if this is the case as an adult I would make the dream simpler not more complex, its not that its hard to control the dream, it is that its hard to begin to control it, it needs the moment of "eureka" I'm dreaming, normally that wakes you up.... but it didn't when I was a child.

I had the exact same experience, it started as controlling nightmares, I used to make myself wake up, after becoming proficient at this I would realise I didn't have to wake up because it wasn't real and I could control it. I had several experiences where I just wiped the dream and was standing there in a void, able to create anything, it was like being god. Then they stopped, I stopped getting nightmares and I stopped having lucid dreams, it sux in a way. However a couple of months ago I had this dream, I was in a movie theatre and was jumping from the back and gliding down over the audience toward the screen and flying back up again. I got back to the top after several trips and a guy was standing there, I said to him "Hey man, look, I can fly, cool huh?" He said to me " no your not, you have a wire attached to your back." I looked back and saw no wire and said "I don't see any", he said, "thats because its invisible". I was like "sure...", so he said "alright then, prove it, heres a box, fly into this box and it will prove that theres no cord attached to your back", I said "ok" and tried to fly into the box. I couldn't, at that point I said to him...."well, I don't normally fly anyway, so this is real right?" He said "are you sure about that?" I said no, "you're right I don't normally fly around in picture theatres with a cord tied to my back either." Then after a pause of thinking I said, "so if this is a dream, why are you telling me I can't fly, you're not real either." At that point I realised I was dreaming and just as I began to understand I woke up... it seems theres something that prevents me from lucid dreaming now... although that dream was borderline lucid I didn't have any control over it, apart from the conversation that is.

So, if using a plant with endomycorrhyzae a systemic fungicide would be necessary. With ectomycorrhizae only a soild drench would really be necessary. As I think you said in an earlier post. I think that a study into plant growth rates could be done, using plants with endomycorrhizae, but dissection of the root would be necessary to determine erradication of the fungi. Well I wasn't thinking of using a full grown tree, just an established tree... I admit it would be difficult to determine the result when the trees weight is a ton or so... Perhaps a faster growing species would work, such as eycaluptus... these have been used to provided fast growing softwood here, I think this may be a better option, even if you have to deal with endomycorrhizae. Perhaps, even better, find a study that someone else has done from a journal and just repeat it and confirm its results..... This is all I have thought was expected of an honours project, either that or helping with a doctorate, new studies are really only needed for a thesis.....

My personal opinion is that abiogenesis required co-operation between abiotically formed proteins which had no genetic precursor and RNA strands, this is because the genes required for the production of tRNA and rRNA had not yet been synthesised, so by chance a protein(s) which dupilicated these roles came into existence and enhanced the fitness of RNA by adding to their ability to produce protein "offspring" which is how their fitness was enhanced. I hypothesis that by chance a protein which catalysed the joining of ribose and phosphate to neucleotides thus allowing their spontaneous ploymerisation was the precursor requirement for all life. Once tRNA strands had arisen over time by chance they interacted with other RNA molecules to produce protein "offspring", now this process would be inefficient without ribosomes, so the most successful RNA strand in this case would be the ones which produce the proteins needed for ribosomes, and subsequently the RNA which formed a complex with these proteins to produce ribosomes. It seems rather complex, but I cannot see any other way for life to be kickstarted without the catalytic function of ribosomes..... perhaps proto-ribosomes had RNA which also contained the information that encoded for the proteins they were associated with.... As a question, what role does rRNA play in protein polymerisation, and if that rRNA was used as mRNA what product would it produce. This is actually an experiment I would like to conduct.

Ok, considering the super dense super hot universe that followed the big bang was the most extreme environment ever, I think your argument falls apart, I mean its ludicrously more extreme than antartica or a volcanoe. Also since there were no atoms, as you point out, then there is no basis for life, which as defined here on earth requires replicating molecules. Otherwise the rest of your post is plausible.

No wonder I've started to see my cell phone ring...... na just kidding, yeah maybe EM radiation can make ur brain hallucinate.

Never mind.... a quick hair tearing session over all those possible typos in my university reports, then down to the shorter oxford dictionary..... His name was Occam.... how the hell it becam Ockham I dunno, but both are used.... STUPID ENGLISH!

Im sick of this, I've seen it spelled two ways in two articles recently.... Which is it!!!!!!!! I originally started spelling it as Occam, untill I read it as Ockham in a New Sceintist article...... then I assumed I must be spelling it wrong all this time and started spelling it that way.... now I read an article where its spelled Occam! Argh!

I think that as humans we lived in a range of environments, some adaptions that we attribute to one environment (the plains) would also apply to other, eg the water, I have however noted one exception.... we have downward facing noses and if we combine this with our index finger and thumb, our soft palate and tounge, we can block our nose and equalise pressure.... very useful in diving.... is this a coincidence or an adaption? Also, I think that ancestral humans would have given birth in water, this is supported by the fact babies can float directly after birth, and the density of water supports heavier babies (large heads/brains) and removes stress from the mother. It is very likely that as opportunistic hunter gathers we stuck close to the shore as we migrated along coast lines, here the temperature is mildered and fluctuates less and there is an abundant source of food, this however doesn't mean we are specifically adapted for this environment. Humans are jacks of all trades, intelligence is the major adaption we have.

Ok, I've never actually paid attention to the written word, and when I heard lecturers etc talking about it they always made a soft H sound, hence I thought I'd better stick an H in there. I didn't think that annual plants would have much of a symbiosis with fungi, perrenials are definately the way to go.... perhaps you could treat a full grown tree in the feild with fungicide and observe the effects.... a control and controlled experimental conditions would be harder to establish though. Maybe cuttings of pine would allow you to establish a larger root system faster and get comparisons of growth rate, it might even remove the need for fungicide treatment... but maybe you'd have to innoculate the cuttings instead.

IN SPACE!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think I went insane for you Jakiri.

Argh reading this is driving me nuts, I can't see why you don't get it. Space is an internal feature of a universe, not an external feature.

=Turn around...... also nicely tied in with two faced, I'm sorry I should be less subtle with my puns.

Hmm yes your right, Ribosomes couldnt reverse traslate a protein.... it would need an almost entirely different system, something with doubles as tRNA (actually tRNA would serve this purpose) but carries 3 neucleotides (codon), something that doubles as rRNA, ie catalyses the polyermisation of nucleotides, and something that doubles as mRNA but this is the protein. I also don't see why the protein couldn't double as the rRNA as well as the mRNA. However I do see a problem with the protein folding, it would need to be a short peptide which allowed access to all of its amino acids, ie very little secondary and tertiary folding... without the folding then catalytic function would be non-existant, so that puts an end to my protein being a rRNA and mRNA doppleganger. I don't really see a problem with the redundancy, you suggest that it plays a role in regulation, however I am hypothesising a mechanism for abiogenesis, the complexity needed for regulation wouldn't have yet arisen, just producing a codon would be sufficient. My hypothesis now seems to be protein+tRNA first. A protein that catalyses the formation of tRNA and mRNA and also acts as a template for the formation of mRNA which codes for itself.