AzurePhoenix

Well... no. The difference i meant to push was the social position of the female. The female hyena evolved to fill the ranking role that a male would fill in most gregarious mammalian species (while the male hyena is scrwny and ranked as inferior even to the cubs). Hormonally they develop more like males than females in comparison, inducing the malish traits, such as aggressive social dominance, the factors of size and strength that brought all this up, and a clitoris so trumped up it could pass for a penis. The suggested case for humans I've heard in contrast to this is that the male human (and males of most of the human ancestral line) is physiologically designed for the rough and tumble danger-filled hunting and warfare crap because they're expendable, while the more valuable, breedable female is a comparatively precious commodity (the difference being that the female hyena has alot of cubs in a litter, rather than one baby). Human females are basically like the other primates and are rather unremarkable besides the shiftss in structure that were brought on by taking an erect stance (for one, the bulbous and enticing genetalia of a chimp in heat were possibly traded for signals that didn't impede movement; oversized breasts and a round ass). Of course, birth complications are a much bigger deal for humans, which is, funnily enough, a problem for hyenas too.

I think there's some sort of code of conduct or at least a very strong tradition requiring that worlds and their moons be named after religious deities, in our system's case, roman ones, some greek. A fictional tv amazon doesn't fit well among the honored

as long as it's quietly, from a vast distance.

You disgust me sometimes.

it keeps slipping my mind that igor is an outside entity in all of this

I don't disagree, I just think it was premature to bite his headoff for what might not have been anymore than putting forward a suggestion that might at least get him some guidance. At this point myself I see only two options; get him analyzed and possibly helped by profesionals and let them figure it out and not come here for laymen possiblities - or follow my first suggestion about the basement.

sure, but it doesn't mean he doesn't ultimately have it though, and with everything else failing to make a dent in him it couldn't hurt to approach the possibility that perhaps he's got this thing that up till now everyone seems to have been quietly avoiding for the implications it raises.

she starts the whole thing by throwing a golden apple (the apple of discord) between a few other goddesses engraved with something along the lines of "for the most beautiful of all," so they argue over who gets it, they decide to let a mortal choose, they pick Paris of Troy, they all offer him stuff to pick them, Aphrodite offers him the most beautiful woman, so he picks her, she makes Helen of greece fall in love with him, he takes her to Troy, her husband it pissed, blah blah blah from there. Go Eris!

there is one step beyond kicking them while there down, a simple pleasure of mocking them about it for the rest of their lives, drawing out the humiliating sting for years and years for a mild satisfaction that you can take to the grave. people have an innate ability to be sensitive about things that really don't have a damn thing to do with them. Then again, I don't really understand this "sympathy" thing they go on about. I definately agree, especially considering that an alien intelligence might be so alien in thought that they wouldn't even percieve us as the equivalent of conscious or sapient creatures by their standards. But of course, humans would ultimately fault them and label them as evil for the exact same thing we always have done, but we'll never be anything more than self-absorbed and insanely jealous of our own self-defined "specialness," and will continue to treat the things we eat the very same way.

I say seal him in a dark basement and feed him fishheads through a slot until he becomes a model citizen.

I somehow doubt there's any real feelings of vengeance involved in it. Some horrible punks are just using his death as an excuse to get some kicks out of being cruel.

Well, if anyone had ever earned it... good thing for him the American judicial system is so damned effective \o/ But I was thinking more along the line of rhesus monkeys, chimp and orangs Wise. Those people can be so hocked up on "morals" it's scary, with no flexiblity for practical objectivity and necessity.

I mostly agree with what ecoli says. It really is necessary to ultimately help people, and even though I'm generally against helping people, I won't stand against somewthing that might eventually help me I do think steps could be taken to make the whole testing environment a tad more comfortable (at least for species that can actually appreciate it), but as long as no undue suffering is inflicted, it's a necessary evil. I do however strongly dislike pontentially harmful testing on more intelligent species such as primates. I would much prefer if we used violent criminals in their place (beings who had actually EARNED potential harm and torment) What I really want though would be some sort of engineered human fetus (I suppose it wouldn' have to LOOK like a fetus,) a brainless meat-sack of human biology, maybe something that develops at a fast enough rate to test effectively. Bah, who knows how many years off we are from being capable of doing that effectively and en masse though, and hell knows how many people would scream even louder about that idea than they do stem-cells, raving on and on about the immorality of it regardless of the reality and benefits of the concept. Plus it wouldn't end all animal testing, especially behavioral stuff and others.

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I 'spose they could fall back on the good ol' "public disturbance of the peace"

I agree. I don't think there's anything justifiably wrong with something just because it grosses people out. There's nothing blatantly and definably wrong beyond that it mimics something "gross" and some people just aren't suited to handling grossness with any self-control or dignity. I mean, I wouldn't go out of my way to accuse an especially ugly person of doing anything wrong just for showing their face in public

I was following dalek's line of thought with mammals, and the main point was the presence of phsyical male characteristics showing up in a female (not to ignore that the female hyena ACTS more like how'd you expect a male to). Anywho, I take your duck and up you a seahorse. Similar concept, but this time the dude actually gets knocked up \o/

I'm very happy without a psuedo-penis thank you very much. I think that might be the idea See? Ardy gets me.

The ultimate example is the hyena. Rebiu, I think looking them up would give you a little extra perspective into male/female devlopemental dynamics.

I've heard time and time again that the Irwin we saw on TV was the real him. Exhuberant and deeply heartfelt, excitable as a kid, who was truly devoted to the environment and it's protection. And half the people who say that also say how annoyingly energetic and chatty he was (one said something along the lines of "who is this nutter and why won't he shut-up?"), so it seems they weren't just praising him with lip-service . His entire life was conservation, he bought millions worth of land just to keep it from being developed, I don't think there can be any doubt about where his heart was. I do however think he was a bit naive. While I don't think he put his son in any more danger at all then a normal parent strapping an infant in the car to drive somewhere, and that he should in no way be compared to the lunatic antics of Michael Jackson, I do think that he should have been responsible enough to realize that what he did might upset people with more testy perceptions of dangerous and not.

Children actually... and to think, the little boy up till now thought that being named Bob was his biggest problem... I'm still reeling from the shock of this whole thing. I can't say I'm surprised though, the man was overdue for something to happen to him, but I was expecting some more blatantly fearsome creature, not just a stingray.

I am getting sick of these things going on and on about missing links and talking about how we have none, utterly dismissing the very fact that we've got a friggin' chain by now! Someone tell me, please, what the hell do these people think a missing link is supposed to be? Did they learn everything they know about science off the back of a cereal box?

I don't want to be buried in the first place, but if I had a grave stone I'd want something like "My greatest regret is that I didn't bring the rest of you sons of bitches down with me." hmmm.... yes, simple is better

I actually can't stand goofy jokes and bits, while I love the dry wit, sarcasm, and complete jackass apathetic mockery. While Jack's okay, I think he's too jokey and into little pranks, whereas Colbert is a king of comedy. It's also why I love that show "House." That man is God.