Bjarne

The Ultimated test This illustrate a completely new kind of measurement experiment P1. Illustrate the moon 1000 km above the Earth, - this Is not the perfect position, because the test bodies (inside the 2 gravimeters) are pulled upwards, and hence not totally free to interact with DFA.. However still the Allais Effect can be measured, but not the full force of it. P2. Illustrate the moon at the same level / altitude as the 2 gravimeters (2 test bodies) - this Is the perfect position, because the test body inside the 2 gravimeters is at same level, and hence totally free to interact with DFA. The full effect of the Allais Effect can be measured P3. Illustrate the moon lower as 2 test bodies - this is not the perfect position, because the test body inside the 2 gravimeters are also pulled downwards by the lower moon. Still the full effect of the Allais Effect can be measured. P4. Illustrate the moon lower as 2 test bodies - this Is not the perfect position, because the test body inside the 2 gravimeters are also pulled downwards by the lower moon. Furthermore the moon cannot pull the Earth enough upwards, the result must therefore be expected to be significant weaker compared to P3, and P2. P5 + P6. The moon is too low, no effect will be measured. Anomalies / deviation between the absolute gravimeter and relative gravimeter must be expected, in fact increasing to about 30μGal. This is a relative huge anomaly no one will expect. As already mentioned, a free fall test body is free to interacted with DFA from that experimental position, but a relative gravimeter (or a pendulum) will not, because the test bodies in these cases are connected with Earth, whereby kinetic energy / upwards accelerating of the Earth , will affect these suspended test bodies. In this case it is expected that the anomaly can be traced several days (by the frefall gravimeter) , from it is increasing and to it again is decreasing and vanishing, all without moving the gravimeters. The reason is that the anomaly is so long lived, in this case, - is that it is possible to use the full range of the radius of the Earth, due to the experiment takes place so much north. This is just the perfect experiment, that must be executed. 1.) I am not sure I precise understand what you mean ? 2.) Normally the duration of an pendulum anomaly measurement takes 1 to 2 hours, sometimes a little more. - It is the rotation of Earth that is responsible for the "illusion" that the anomaly is short lived. The short lived experience is only a local experience. If you put several measurement together, you will see the anomaly in a much more larger perspective, and discover, yes it is really long lived, in a overall perspective. Sometimes it is difficult to see the forest because there are too many threes. 3.) Yes, but it will take time, it is also a question of priority. I prefer to use my time on the experiment you can see above. If possible, it must be done this year in August, and as you see, i do not need to travel to USA. In the end of the day it is experiments that shows us the path to follow.

After a good night sleep, the solution to “this should be a long lived anomaly” I think is cracked. Not only based on a postulate, but based on a new postulate already supported by observation / meassurement (and on logic). I will get back later.. Yes, the anomaly is really long lived, (and can be detected up to +/- 24 hours) and this is a very good point, and the best question in this thread, that will contribute to get the beast out of the cave. Correct, - the inclination of the moon is only about 5 degree, It is true that it takes the moon 24 hours to reach 0,34mm higher or lower altitude, the anomaly must be long lived. Not few hours as I claimed. Experience shows that the Moon must be about 1 degree ((4000 km) above the horizontal ecliptic axis, in order to have maximum strength to accelerate the Earth enough upwards, so that a significant Allais Effect can be measured. Whether the perfect position is exactly 1 degree , or 0,75 or 1,25 is not certain. However it is certain that the perfect position is where the maximum anomaly is possible to meassure. - Any position lower or higher than this will weaken the anomaly If the moon moves 0,34 degree (as mentioned by swansont) lower or higher, relative to the perfect position, this will off course serious weaken the anomaly. Based on all the experience we have , - it is reason to conclude that it must be possible to trace a tiny rest of the anomaly even within a range +/-24 hours. Whether the anomaly live 17 hours or 32 hours is also too early to say, at least it its certain that the anomaly is not so short lived as I claimed yesterday (stupid me). Measurement have been done allready trying to uncover this question, but the problem is the rotation of the earth, takes a testing object away from the perfect position Plenty meassurements the day of eclipse world wide is required to do a proper test. Data and grahp Sourse Here Here (B2 in the image should have been B1) Measurement in 2008 took place in Ukraine and Romania, - far away from the shadow of the moon. The image (small graph inside the image) shows, that the onset of the 2008 August Allais anomaly was several hours delayed. The anomaly was measured several hours after the Solar Eclipse was finish. The cause of this delay is that the test bodies A1 and B1 (in Romania and Ukraine) , first should be brought to the "perfect position, - (to position A2 and B2). The tilt of the axis of the Earth can bring a test object lower or higher, until the perfect position is reached Another point is that test body B was more delayed than A Conclusion It is no doubt that if there would have been meassurement taken between A1 and A2 , these too would have measured the anomaly, like a chain reaction. - But not so delayed than in Ukraine and Romania.. Due to the fact that worldwide coordinated research never have been executed, we can only guess what would have been happening if there also would have been meassurement taken ready further West, - in Northern Italy, - France, few places in the Atlantic sea and in America. Would the anomaly also had been measured here as well ? The answer is YES, - but the answer is also that only one place on earth the maximum effect would have been measured. If worldwide measurement would have taken place, it would have revealed a anomaly increasing and then fading out. The theory is back on the track, - but well much more can be done.. MUCH more.

Right, and one thing more, by solar eclipse the earth is slightly accelerating until it have passed the moon, right after that, the Earth will decelerate and the Moon will begin to accelerate. - The sudden acceleration and deceleration of the Earth will also affect the upwards aceleration (and deceleration) of the Earth . This is geting more and more complicated

You have a point here. Which force me to suspect the increasing angle between the moon and suns force-vectors to be responsible for fast loosing the upwards acceleration grip on earth, even though it not is much that the angle is changing. This have to be calculated. So could it be true that the upwards acceleration of the Earth is short lived, due to relative small change the vector influence, - ? it must be Who want to bet ?

In each single case the upwards pull of the earth have to be calculated, based on the vector and angle, I was shown in the beginning of this thread. The moons position; 1 degree above the (center) of earth (mentioned several times) correspond to about 4000 km. This mean the moon is only near the "perfect position" - few hours, - not 24 hours. Within 24 hours the moon travels about 360 degree / 29 = 12 degree , far much more than the mentioned1 degree. The moon moves about ½ degree per hour. This is why the Allais Effect is short lived.

You are right, most of the time the strong vector-force of the sun will dominate and prevent / more or less oppose (strong enough) upwards acceleration of the earth. I never tought about this.. This is true most of the time when the moon is 1 degree (or more) above the Earth. However by solar eclipse (and situation very much like these) the moon will be able to accelerate the earth enought upwards , to expose DFA

Because the moon is only about 1 degree above the earth for a short period. Few hours twice the year so fare I remember.. I will calculate that later. Why for such short period ?, well it have to follow its own (inclined) orbit (up and down) ------------ Yesterday when writing this here at the forum I suddenly discovered an important aspect I have overlooked. It must be a much smarter way to confirm the Allais Effect once and for all. Simply by using free fall gravimeters and relative gravimeters simultaneously (in combination) near the polar area. (Greenland, island, Canada, Northern Russia, N-Norway etc.) It is today surprising easy to predict that these 2 gravimeters not will agree, when the test takes place at the right time (and place).. The absolute gravimeter will measure DFA, while the relative gravimeter will not. Such combination is good because it illuminate all kind of speculatation; - whether noise, calibration, or ocean tide have played an invisible role. The expected data will be so significant that Allais Effect never again can be ignored. The advantage is also I think many scientist have some kind of pendulumfobi. Gavimeters (working in combination) is a better “scientific solution” too, - I believe this what really is what many have been waiting for. Furthermore, the moon can in this case be much higher on the horizon. At least 1,5 degree, maybe 2.0 degree. (I have to calculated it.). I have already years ago pay for gravity measurement, in both Denmark, Australia and Russian, (but blindfolded like all other), its good to have this expirience now,.

The moon will "interact" (pull) the testing body. However the moon will not pull the testing body upwards, for a short period , because the moon and the testing body are both at the same level / altitude - on the Dark Flow axis as illustrated by the image below. This happen while the earth is pulled upwards by the moon. Thus, the test object is exposed to DFA, and the Earth not To make it very simple, - the moon prevent the Earth to follow the dark flow acceleration, - but cannot prevent the testing body doing so

First, at all, yes the moon really active interacte with a pendulum. I have also mentioned this allready in the articl, - few times “confirmed Allais effect” is in fact mistakes, - in reality the moon interacted with the pendulum, - without Allais researches have been pay attention to that was the case.. This influence is real no doubt about it. However, the (real) Allis Effect is about the experience that sometime a similar effect also happens without the moon have played an active role. For example when the force acting on the pendulums comes from the opposite direction of where the moon is. Yes the moon is always there, but it is inclined relative to the Earth One of the most important requirements is to bring the Earth to "Dark Flow Acceleration Rest" - This is necessary to be able to meassure a test object affected by DFA.. So far we have discussed The fact that that the moon can sometimes pull/ accelerate the earth upwards, while a testing bodies on earth not will fell the upwards acceleration and therefore is free to interact with DFA. We have also discussed that testing object A is a better option as object B. (Later I will explain the opposite is possible when using an absolute gravimeter) The acceleration due to gravity of the moon affecting the earth and everything on it is about 100 times stronger as DFA, Only about 1% of the force of the moon, is enough to expose the full meassurement potential of DFA. Why is object A only sometimes exposed for DFA interaction ? The answers are... P1. When the Moon is at position P1, (The image is exaggerated), - both the earth and the testing body is accelerating upwards 5 times faster as the capacity of DFA. The Exposed DFA is therefore canceled out. (The moon and the testing body are more or less in the same reference frame of acceleration). P2 When the moon is at position P2, - it will accelerate the Earth upwards, but not testing body A, this is when Allais effect can be meassured, given that time and location is OK P3 and P4 - Now both the testing body and the Earth is pulled downwards, and DFA is simply not exposed for any testing body on Earth. ( All Allais research under these circumstances have come out with nothing..) It is important to notice that the moons position at P2 excert enough upwards accleration of the Earth to expose the full potential of DFA, that , the stronger the moon pull the testing body upwards, the weaker measurement result must be expected... that, if the testing body is pulled upwards with a an acceleration faster as the DFA, no anomaly at all can be measured.

Most of the time the Moon pulls the Earth up or down, but different object (and the Earth) are all the time affected different all depending where on Earth these are, and how low or high the moon is... etc... If the pull of the Moon affecting a a test body and the Earth , as already discussed above, and if (what I call) the DFA interaction also is more or less perfect, - the Allais effect can be measured at the correct position.. A NASA team was discovered Dark Flow. Many also believe that the WMAP contains data that can be interpreted as evidence for Dark Flow. Furthermore many believe it is a another Universe pulling in ours. I think the acceleration is pointing to the center of our own universe. To finally prove DFA, - "beyond any doubt" - required a lot more measurements, the good news is , that now there is for the first time a theory that I am sure holds water. Now scientist can remove their blindfolds and therefore also encorage far more to participate. This it self is a step forwards for that aspect of science that really deserve must more attention. For those that begins to understand all this, they will know how perfect the solar eclipse in USA in August really is. It can take a long long time, before such perfect opportunity again is possible Measurement should not only be taken right under the moon, but many different places, - to be able to encircle what we are up against. Don't miss the starting gun. Thanks

The point is that the test body (in this "experiment") must be subject to DFA, it is the test body that is pulled downwards by DFA, - but the Earth not, - the Earth is for a short period at time at Dark Flow "acceleration rest" - thanks to the upwards pull of the moon. This is really the only way DFA can be measured, by us here on the planet.

Everything follows the (downwards) Dark Flow Motion and as Dark Flow Acceleration. Normally this motion and acceleration is therefore "invincible". You can only discovered it, if you are able to measure relative to a reference frame at (more or less) rest, - and exactly this is where the moon comes in. The Moon can bring the Earth to a frame of more or less dark flow “acceleration rest” If this “acceleration rest” not also effect a testing body (on earth) , the testing body is free to do what it (almost) always does, - simply just follow the Dark Flow Acceleration. So this is all what this is about, - bringing the Earth to an acceleration rest frame , - and not the testing body. This summer will be one of the best possible opportunities to measure exactly this is USA: the scientific community should really take this serious; it could be an important step forwards.

Very good question It turn of so soon the moon pull too much upwards (north) in the test body, this happens so soon the moon is too high on the horizon, - and it turn off all the time the moon is too low and cannot accelerate the earth upwards. As I wrote if too much upwards acceleration (upwards pull) of the test body will dominate it will "cancel out" the exposed downwards DFA

This sound unbelievable. I am not university educated, if you are sure that the acceleration I mention is very much off just show it and let’s see which difference that make

Allais Marius did also measure the effect when there was no eclipse at all. Both these option are actually possible. Which explain that the effect illustrated by fig 3 is possible, also even though this not illustrate a eclipse. This does not mean that 2 difference acceleration frames not is possible by total solar eclipse, off course this is possible, as I wrote it only depend on where is the testing body relative to the moon. There are many possibilities, and even lunar eclipses are sometimes reported to have a similar effect. Also, remember that many times Allais Effects not was confirmed “not right under the moon”, but actually before or after the total eclipse, and therefore often long distance away from the shadow of the moon, which sometimes excactly is what is required for the testing body to be exposed to DFA. If the upwards acceleration of the test body is stronger than the exposed DFA, the upwards acceleration will dominate, - whereby DFA not is exposed even through the earth is pulled upwards A test body is exposed to the DFA so soon the moon pulls the earth upwards but not the test body

If the moon is 90 degree above the line X, see fig. 3, it would pull the earth upwards with full force 7,35*1022*6,67e-*10-11/3800000002 If the moon is 45 degree above the line X, see fig. 3, it would pull the earth upwards with ½ force If the moon is 1 degree above the line X, see fig. 3, it will pull the earth upwards with 1/90 of its force ..

It is very possible that this (and more) can be a little more precise. To know the very precise upwards acceleration of the earth and therefore also the DFA exposure is not essential right now, (at least not to me) but well better suggestions are off course welcome.. To me it is important to understand what is up and down in this phenomena, and that many Allais Effect measurements are taken especial this year in the United States

Total solar eclipse is not necessary, and the point here is only that the testing device and the Earth must be in different acceleration reference frames, which also depend on the position of the testing body and the rotation of the Earth, relative to the position of the moon. This is very good illustrated by the 1995 eclipse. The moon pulls the earth upwards that day.. In the early morning of 24 October 1995, a gravity measurement was taken for oil exploration purposes in northern India when by chance the Allais Effect was measured (12μGal). What we see here is that in the morning, northern India is brought just above the Sub-Solar point (and at the same "level" as the moon) whereby a testing body (in Northern India) thereby immediately was exposed to DFA, simply because the moon did no longer accelerate the testing body upwards, but only the earth. Also notice that the DFA interaction axis was parallel to the DFA axis (see the red arrow).. Both of these factors are perfect for measuring a gravitational anomaly connected to the Allais Effect. (Fig. 21 & 22).

This article have just passed Peer Review ... http://www.scirp.org/Journal/PaperInformation.aspx?PaperID=76756 Notice the prediction in the paper.. The solar eclipse in USA, - August this year, - is just excellent to confirm this very significant and important new aspect of science.. ABSTRACT An Anisotropic Dark Flow Acceleration can solve the cause of the Allais Effect. This claim is based on a kinematic analysis of 21 Allais Effect measurements. All measurements (without exception) substantiate that the Allais Effect is consistent with anisotropic acceleration and that the acceleration is directed in the same direction as Dark Flow. So far, Allais Effect measurements have taken place blindfolded. Now, it is possible to calculate and predict when and where the Allais Effect can be confirmed, and of course also predict where and why no effect can be confirmed. In addition, it is now also possible to calculate how strong anomalies can be expected, and even whether the effect can be measured before or after the eclipse reaches the maximum. Still different pendulums are the most effective instrument to use. The reason why such strange devices are the best option is also no longer a mystery. This new theory also uncovers why advanced instruments can’t be used successfully, which also explains why such significant acceleration could have been hidden for such a long time. The exact magnitude of the anisotropic acceleration is calculated to be around 35μGal (3,5e-7m/s2), and not much deviation must be expected in the years to come. An Anisotropic Acceleration can now be mathematically proven In order for a significant anisotropic acceleration to be measurable on Earth (e.g. with a gravimeter or various pendulums), specific conditions must be present. It is somewhat similar to the situation that it is also impossible to measure the acceleration of Earth’s orbit acceleration from Earth (given that everything on Earth is part of the same acceleration frame of reference). However, there is an indirect method of measuring Dark Flow Acceleration (in short DFA), which is the same force / acceleration responsible for the Allais Effect. The Following are required. The Earth must accelerate slightly opposite to DFAD, (towards north) and the cause of the acceleration must be due to the force of gravity of the Moon. A testing body on Earth (able to interact/measure DFA) must be (more or less) unaffected by the force accelerating Earth’s opposing DFA. The rotation of the Earth must bring a measurement device to the best possible position whereby the testing-body (of the measurement device) (more or less) can interact with the exposed DFA. The pendulum must swing east-west , - not north-south. A relatively fast and sudden change of the DFA exposure must be present for gravity measurement results to be significant / convincing. (Pendulums are more sensitive, and therefore a better device to use) These requirements allow a testing body to be exposed to DFA, whereby anomalies can be measured. The crankshaft responsible for these phenomena is the motion of the Moon. Sometimes the Moon is situated above the Earth, sometimes below. Due to mass attraction between Earth and the moon, Earth is sometimes periodically accelerated slightly upwards or downwards on what is here called a Dark Flow Acceleration Axis. (Fig. 2) Solar Eclipse (as well as Lunar Eclipses) are perfect occasions, - where the slightly upwards or downwards acceleration of the Earth undergoes remarkable changings. This is why eclipses are perfect occasions where the exposure of DFA can happen for short time periods. The illustration (above) shows a solar eclipse where the moon is located 2000 km higher relative to a parallel, linear line, ‘X’, between the Sun and Earth. This corresponds to approx. 0,3°. In that way, the Moon’s acceleration due to gravity pulls the Earth in the northern direction with an acceleration which can be calculated by GM/r2 (7,35*1022*6,67e-*10-11/3800000002 ) divided by 90° = 0.00000037m/s2 (or 37 μGal, per 1°) (the result is therefore 12 μGal) Testing body A (see illustration) will therefore not be directly affected by the upwards pull from the Moon, but only indirectly effected by the Earth’s upward acceleration, - and is thus exposed to influence by DFA, so long as this body is not connected with earth. On the other hand, testing body B (near the Equator) will almost be in the same frame of reference as the accelerating globe and will therefore be exposed to DFA to far less degree. (because testing body B is also pulled upwards by the Moon) Testing body D (and others located south of B) is not exposed to DFA influence at all, as these testing-bodies are all accelerating upwards, pulled by the Moon. Testing body C is fully affected by the upwards acceleration of the Earth (in the same acceleration reference frame) and is therefore not exposed to DFA. Testing bodies located between A and up towards C will gradually be more affected by the Earth’s upwards acceleration and will therefore also be poor testing areas for detecting pendulum anomalies. Read more.... http://www.scirp.org/Journal/PaperInformation.aspx?PaperID=76756

Ok thanks for now

So the the magnitude of the peaking annual anomaly within the range -/+ 20 Hz.

Even without a computer program, it must be possible to approximate the range of the annual anomaly Computer software analyses has been done already https://arxiv.org/pdf/0809.2682.pdf

Much in these papers are above my head. It does not matter what causes the annual anomaly, - I still only want to know the magnitude, - or the data necessary to calculate the annual anomaly. I think you too cannot extract the necessary data can you ? And you can also not answer the following question can you ? s the magnitude of the peaking annual anomaly within the range -/+ 20 Hz. If so you know a blind man cannot lead another blind man

I guess you once was in the same situation, instead of showing you a ridiculous photo to you, I guess you have got all the help you asked for, , The doppler equation itself is a piece of cake. The only problem is I am not sure which data to pull out of the paper and use . Its so simple specific to teach me excactly that. it is not a shame that I have to lean it , and it does not mean I am born stupid, it is rather the arrogant image you have chosen to show, that is a shame. Off course the angle and the speed of the earth ‘relative to the probe is also important, - but can we now take this from the very beginning. Let just for simplicity reason ignore the angle, - that can be taken into account later. Try to extract the addition, / reduce speed ( and /or frequency) the annual anomaly, (and only that) represent - (it can be included noise) . How will you do it’ I have ask many time whether the image above illustrate the interval wherein the anomaly is hidden, or in other words is the magnitude of the peaking annual anomaly within the range -/+ 20 Hz. – Its very simple to answer yes or no to that question.