rwjefferson

Force is inertial pressure differential and curvature is reaction to force and image of force is relatively close but not quite the same as force. Really. Do your calculations prove or not van der waals and casimere and contact weld and weak and gravity are attractive forces just like lower inertial pressure differential? and yes 0 yes in deed allison wonderland Its pressure differential all the way down and all the way up ron

a different observation I can see that relatively close is almost yet not quite the same as same as. Thus I am wont to wonder why others simply will not. What's up with that? Really; how is it some still believe curvature is force and gravity is not? Be nice now. ron

deeper and deeper into my wormhole given It is self evident that cellular life populated the sea long before amphibians crawled onto dry land. Now please tell exactly how and when and where. Is it remotely possible even likely intrepid salamanders developed four muscular limbs and lungs striving to crawl up under and out of mountain ponds and seeps and streams and torrents? yes.yes.yes.iii skin is a neotenic state and shells and scales and claws and nails and whiskers and hairs and wings and arms and feathers and tails not so much def: neotenic juvenile syn: juvenile def: skin semi-permeable membrane syn: essential for fleshy life What is the difference between Cambrian Chordates and you and me? Vertebral columns, lungs, 3-part brain, bones, paired lateral appendages, jaws, and synapsid skull, four chambered heart, fur, lack of gills, bones/hard cartilage lung support, mammary glands and a few hundred million years or so. 0de to intermediate Sirens everywhere There are salamanders with external gills and there are some with internal gills; not to mention salamanders with lungs and with out lungs or gills. How do gillish stem cells like yours migrate and invaginate and differentiate into such truly wondrous lungs? Really. ron

def: lungs what you get when you turn salamander gills outside inside and a few hundred million years or so What is the difference between Cambrian Chordates and Tadpoles? What is the difference between tadpoles and humans? Is no need to grow shell or fur a neotenic state? long ago I gave up trying to convince creationists and otherwise intelligent tetrapods of self evident truth. I am here to report what I see and I seek better answers. I am still wanting and am so sorry you do not know laughter like me. most humbly yours ron

skin is neotenic def: laughter noisy tonic clonic seizure (:

insult is the strawman of dogma as reason fails insult prevails and there is nothing more to say except Did amphibians evolve in the sea? Really? No not really. Maybe just maybe amphibians should be classed as the first tetrapods to thrive in fertile mountain seeps. and thanks for the phish ron~

ode to intelligent tetrapods and bullwinkle wanting and saying does not make it so and reason in kind without self evident observation is not reason enough and thanks for the arthropods and fish current wiki.101 Specifically salamanders of unusual size like Andreas and Desmognathus still seek fertile mossy mountain seeps and springs and strong limbs and toes are also good for crawling out of and onto and up and overland. def: swamp a wetland often partially or intermittently covered with water; especially one dominated by reeds and roots and woody vegetation So yes indeed allison wonderland 0nce upon a dream time ago primitive dolphins crawled up and out of ancient mossy mountain seeps and pools and streams and torrents ripe with bite size arthropods and fish long before they crawled out of reedy rooty woody wetlands and walked back into the salty sea. Look 0nce more closely and you just might find traces and fossils of ancient tetrapod bones ground and buried with the rocky bones of the mountains that grew hundreds of millions of years ago. big history project~ "To escape the carnage of the sea, some creatures crawl out onto land as well. At first they are forced to return to the salty seas to reproduce, but then they discover a way to bring a bit of the ocean with them; the egg." Respond as you must and I will try not to cringe as otherwise intelligent tetrapods propagate dogma that authority tells them so. ron a stone pushes down on water and water pushes back and up a cheetah pushes down on ground and ground pushes back and up a cheetah skips over land like stones skip over water

thanks again.iii and I wait patiently for your next most kind and well reasoned answers Why do salamanders of enormous size like Andrias tend to crawl and spawn upstream in fertile mountain pools? Does crawling up under mountain streams select for flattened head and muscular limbs balanced between nose and tail? How about swamps? still crawling against the stream ron ItS peace

clueless.iii My object is to challenge the hounds of dogma that offer insult and ban instead of kind and well reasoned answers. What is yours? How long have you been lurking? Have your heard tails of tetrapods like Andreas.davidianii growing six feet or more? Why do tetrapods slither and crawl upstream to spawn? kind and well reasoned answers are always greatly appreciated @least by me ron btw gills shown by axolotls are neotenic if you know what I mean _____________________________ ode to bullwinkle and other furry tetrapods.iii Thanks for the image of young Andrias and the other grinning child of the extended Cryptobranchidae family. Is crawling upstream conducive for flattened body and muscular pods? How about navigating around a swamp? Do you believe everything authority tells you so? ItS peace ron I do not believe curvature is force 0r gravity is not

yes 0 yes indeed allison wonderland.iii Once upon long times ago we and whales evolved from lobed finned fish crawling up and against the flow and the largest tetrapods are currently balaenoptera musculi and fossils are more likely to be found in swamps than flowing streams. When were cryptic branchuses invented and popularized? Is exposing gills a juvenile trait? Look what is written in space and earth and flesh and do not be afraid of finding and sharing your best answers. Where are the goliaths of giant salamanders currently found? Are flattened body and muscular clawed feet good for crawling against stream and tide and over land? How about fluffy gills? ItS peace ron caveat emptor In my next thread I intend to ask the otherwise intelligent engineers of Oracle's America's Cup sailboat team and David Pogue how hydro-foils them into thinking a wing under water is sucked up differently than a spinning stone.

kind and well reasoned responses are all ways welcome today.iii What are the most primitive tetrapods found today? What are the largest tetrapods found today? in other words Where are the largest and most primitive tetrapods currently found? Are fossils more likely to be found in the extinction of a flowing stream or some old dried up pool? Can you prove whales did not first evolve 0nce upon a time between land and sea and wind? def: trick question Does a spinning stone skip over the water because lower pressure sometimes hoovers up? @least by me rw~

did amphibians evolve in the sea.iii Science authority [/dogma] currently states that the earliest amphibians evolved in the Devonian Period with multi-jointed leg-like fins with digits that enabled them to crawl along the sea bottom. Really? Which amphibians still lay their eggs in the sea? Where are the most primitive amphibians currently found? Where are the largest amphibians currently found? Can you offer reason to believe what Authority tells you so? Did amphibians evolve in currents and fresh water? peace ron

Why do even well oiled machines wear down? in the words of r~claus- def: entropy in any natural process there exists an inherent tendency towards the dissipation of useful energy def: in other words what starts with a bang; ends with entropy just sayin ron

memory is the second thing to go def: liberty equal and peaceful and well regulated pursuit of happiness def: pursuit of happiness freedom to; freedom from def: patriot one that stands for equal and peaceful and well regulated pursuit of happiness for others def: tyrants those that do not nice sleeves Those marked in denial of equal and peaceful and well-regulated pursuit of happiness do tend to brag a bit too much. And what makes you think pursuit of happiness is not shown by other forms of "intelligent" life? Is it the right of equal or peaceful or well-regulated or even your own freedom to pursue to and from as you might wish do you hereby renounce? ItS liberty and justice equal for all rwjefferson

Freedom from fear is not a fundamental right bestowed by existence and n'either is the right to jump to the moon. Can you prove beyond a reasonable doubt that liberty is not the equal and peaceful and well regulated pursuit of happiness? ~ron

to what; from what What if the oppression comes from the self retained rights of "others"? What is the most fundamental right bestowed by existence? ItS liberty and justice equal for all ron

license to deny liberty is tyranny by any other Name def: equality mutual responsibility Might mutual responsibility require regulation for best governance? def: liberty peaceful and well regulated pursuit of happiness What else? r~

liberty is self constrained by equality def: tyranny unconstrained freedom syn: power corrupts Tyranny is tyranny no matter the Name and liberty is constrained by equality and what else? def: liberty equal and... And what is the most elemental right self retained by all? justice equal for all rw~

to what; from what Kind and well reasoned responses are always welcome. Please forgive and allow me to rephrase an elemental question. The world has never had a good definition of the word liberty, and the American people, just now, are much in want of one. We all declare for liberty; but in using the same word we do not all mean the same thing. --April 18, 1864 Address at Baltimore def: please define liberty in your best nine words or so What does liberty mean to "you"? rwjefferson

What does liberty mean to you? Our world has never held a universal definition of the Word liberty and patriots everywhere are much in want of one once more again. What is your best and most concise definition of liberty? ron

*dark to the unenlightened * def: mass gravity and inertia aether mark.001 If earth and sun orbit through stationary aether, an aether wind will be measured on the side spinning into the relative headwind. Michelson and Morley et einstein et.al. prove this model false with a simple interferometer. Skeptics cost more in BS&Ts. aether mark.101 It is now common knowledge* that wind is the flow of atomic* matter and space is filled with quantum matter*. And how many of these experiments* try to measure the pressure in gs of falling dark matter? mark.like you r~

What model of aether do Michelson and Morley.et al easily disprove? ron

belief in dogma is always relevant for lovers of truth meteorology.oo2 Difference of inertia and pressure forces winds and spins fluent matter into whirls and twisters and warps atmospheres into domes and troughs and cyclones. and welcome to my wormhole.iii inertia.001 Can you prove beyond a reasonable doubt gravity is not force all the way down? What property of mass defies gravity? good news.007 esp.4staff@earth science forums.net I still remember the son of a beloved meteorologist that soared with thermals and raptors and tickled the tassels of a field of corn and scared a stoop'd farmer senseless and hugged ground effect just long and far enough to gently touch down 0nce more home again safely home. I will ask for you. inertial pressure differential.101 Draw lines of equivalent barometric pressure around the eye of hurricane Cleo from first to last recorded rotation. Collapse the eye of a vortex to a singular point and reduce baryonic to quantum particle pressure. Draw lines of iso gravitational pressure around the super massive event horizon at the center of a galaxy. Prove beyond a reasonable doubt that pressure is not relatively equivalent no matter quantum or baryonic particles. Name an observation of gravity that is not also demonstrated by baryonic matter or forever hold your peace. peace ~ron~

What is a good name for the force that warps earths atomsphere into domes and troughs and cyclones? ron

curvature is force and topspin lift will all ways be speculation in the land of flat.001 welcome to my wormhole.ajb What do you call the force that warps earth's atomsphere into domes and troughs and cyclones? What do you call Belief based upon misinterpretation? peace ron