eighth man

No, physics has hit the wall. Extreme art is the only solution. You can do it too. Metaphysical assignment can solve all problems and concepts. Instead of waiting for science to catch up, you all should assign right away, create your own matter, every pattern you see walking (trees, sidewalk anything) is a language with inifinitely mysterious meaninings and formulas. You can pull it off. You can really get away with it. Physics has hit a wall, it will become an extreme form of art. Why can't we execute the simplest things ? Institute for Advanced Study (NJ) should take note and start. TOBOR THE APE

Yes you are right for the most part. Electrons at "core" don't even know how to generate random numbers. Then where do they write the numbers? Then how can any number be associated with any physical quantity , etc. Obviously, within the mainstream scientific community, no one would consider what I claim valid, and I completely accept this. But in the future, science will hit the wall and will turn into an art form, or the simulations of virtual reality will change everything, or even more when we change our mind circuits and generate completely new mental organizations, emotions sentiments "SOLID STATE CIVILIZATION", there will no longer be any science, just art and art forms and extreme fantasies. TOBOR EIGHT MAN

... saying things like "Random numbers don`t SEEM to exist" thereby implying Order and therefore RULES and LOGIC? THAT WILL HAVE TO BE BROKE IN A VERY RADICAL WAY LIKE ACCEPTING CONTRADICTIONS AS A HIGHER FORM OF REASONING! APE MAN TOBOR THE EIGHTH

No, at the core, electrons are completely incomprehensible (not the laws they follow). How does electron know where it is ? etc. I don't need luck because I FORCE the solutions. I decide and create and invent all. That is the point. I have infinite power through metaphysical assignment. Example: Tires are particles because I decided this, my mind is made of a material I choose invent and force the mind to expand etc... APE TOBOR

Yes but in other posts, I said contradictions is a higher form of reasoning. But, yes there are some problems. I think that within a "strict" scientific framework, randomness seems to be hard. Then exiting a "strict" scientific framework I can evaluate what it can possibly mean. TOBOR THE 8 MAN

I am too. APE TOBOR 8th

They are quite good, but I have read articles on the web where there is always a "ghost" of some slight correlation. The field is complex and involved but it seems that a simple problem of generating randomness is not simple at all. check out this and others on web: ;> http://random.mat.sbg.ac.at/tests/ Thus physics talks to us and tells us create extreme randomness, extreme art, bash engines adn create theory. (engines running with gas, and another run of accelator experiments without gas). APE TOBOR MAN

NO. Because our explanations are limited, oyr mind is limited, only extreme art and fantasy can force our way out. Elementary particles are car tires (for example). TOBOR THE 8 MAN

Yes, good approximations can be made. But random number generators that have no correlation at all, no conceivable pattern are very hard to make. They have been made using Quantum mechanics effects, and they seem to be "almost perfect". There is a really strange history on these random number generators; you will find web pages within the field of electronics. TOBOR IS THE EIGHTH APE

No joke, we must use extreme art to get further in our investigations. We will hit a wall eventually if we do not. THE TOBOR APE

At the center of any elementary particle, there can be no physical laws. How can any particle remain the same and know it ? how can any particle possibly exist ? This concludes that at their core, elementary particles have NO LOGIC, NO MATH, NO PHYSICAL LAWS. TOBOR APE

Beware SETI (Search for extraterrestrial intelligence) researchers. Advanced civilizations may be undetectable. Such a civilization would learn how to modify their neural circuits, therefore changing all their mind structures. How information is organized, processed etc may be changed arbitrarily. This may create artificial emotions, sentiments mind states, superconsciousness etc. This internal universe may end up being mind boggling complex and interesting. The combinations are huge, each neuron may be a particle accelerator, chip, virtual reality etc. They would no longer communicate with the outside universe because they would be too busy exploring their internal "SOLID STATE CIVILIZATION". TOBOR THE APE MAN

You can imagine a universe that is constantly getting smaller in all directions by any degree (or larger) all proportionally so that you could never notice. Size is then infinite (although you can't demonstrate it). I developed a theory where we all live in 2 dimensions and the third is just a contraction in space (like video games show). Distance is just space getting smaller within 2 dimensions. TOBOR MAN 8

I was reading about how hard it is to create random number generators. It is incredibile how we worship regularity so much when actually regularity is the rule of the universe and getting out of it is almost impossibly difficult. That is a message from physics, where instead of searching for simple and unified theories we should search and then create and force upon us ever increasing complex and difficult theories. I propose the grand explosion of theories as opposed to grand unified ones. The beauty then must lie in ever increasing complexity and difficulty of understanding . Falsification of experiments is completely allowed. Physics would then become an art form and we could imagine having accelerators that smash car engines against each other and develop theories. 8MAN TOBOR

Is a solid state civilization feasable in the long run ? Humans evolve until they learn to modify their own minds, their mental circuits, their emotional circuits, the way information is organized. Then minds will be hooked up to computers and virtual realities and then trillions of solid state neurons, minds, computers will keep on evolving continously until it is completely uncomprehensible. A Solid state civilization. We observe according to the way our mind is organized and organizes information so what and how we observe and our theories and interactions with reality are quite arbitrary. In the future when we start to modify the circuits of our mind brain the emotions circuits the perceptions the relations between these (and there are probably trillions of ways to do this) the universe will be another.

The theory can be concluded like this. A given group of numbers creates the effect of consciousness. We are only those patterns of numbers that generate consiousness. So there you go, the Grand Unified theory of physics is achieved. You only have two objects: 1) a large number 2) consciousness and one cause and effect 3) a given set of numbers creates consciousness. It is like a scalar field where a given set creates our sensation of consciousness. If a theory then has only one explanation, then it is just an association, a table associating numbers with an effect. Some consequences of this is that the universe confirms extreme determinisms; in fact it would seem that there is no free will and we are kind of like zombies executing a fixed program. Another consequence is that anything can occur and it is automatically explained by being just a combination of numbers: a big blue sphere can appear out of nowhere and it needs no explanation because we are in a sequence of numbers where that corresponding combination is. It is also true that there could be some combination of numbers that create effects we don't know. This theory is non falsifiable, that is no experiment can demonstrate that it is false. In this respect it is like theories that say "The world is a simulation in a computer of a higher civilization having completely different physics" or that "Everything is in our mind and there is no outside world" etc. So I should be getting the nobel prize and theoretical physics is out of work.

OK, interesting replies. What I want to know is if these theories are already today an area of research in pure mathematics and if alternate theories inventing other universes even with no practical use would be interesting to study.

I think I can focus the ideas better. If you let a program run that draws on a small screen and cycles through all the combinations, then sometimes something like a face will come out. It is just one of the many combinations. (like the monkey who ends up writing a novel after typing for trillion of years etc). Same idea is for the universe as a number. It looks as if there is cause and effect, laws and so on , but it is just one of the combinations. We are fooled into thinking there are explanations when it is only an illusion. here.

A solid state civilization in the long run. Humans will evolve again, then after a few thousand years will learn to modify their own minds, their mental circuits, their emotional circuits, the way information is organized. Then minds will be hooked up to computers and then trillions of solid state neurons , minds, computers will keep on evoliving continuosly until it is completely uncomprehensible. A Solid state civilization.

Year 2200. The grand unified theory is discovered all constants can be derived, all particles too everything is explained and verified experimentally. Would the scientists still study all the theoretical structures that have been devised anyways as pure math or to see how alternate universes could be devised ? This would have no consequence on physics, but are all those theories /string, symmetry etc) worth studying for themselves anyways (in their own right) ?

Right. We extract a pattern because it is useful. The concept of pattern is an invention of the mind. Groups of numbers are just groups of numbers. In fact there are probably a huge number of partial patterns and associations that can be seen as other kinds of particles, forces, interactions (you can invent as much as you want) and world views (universes).

I want to add some more: 1) To your real question, answer is no. Em theory is a closed system now. No one would try a completely alternative theory. There is one guy who derived quantum mechanics from general relativity after 30 years and has partially succeeded but the answer to your question is "no way". 2) Fundamental research doesn't really have so much to look for anymore except for unification theories. The real problems are more and more technical and technological like solving the partial differential equations.

Well the mind of the observer is always in the picture, don't forget. So we observe according to the way our mind is organized and organizes information so what and how we observe and our theories and interactions with reality are quite arbitrary. In the future when we start to modify the circuits of our mind brain the emotions circuits the perceptions the relations between these (and there probably trillions of ways to do this) these problems will no longer be important. (I imagine a solid state civilization)

I'm trying to get at 2 points here: 1) it's strange that physics thinks that math is magic; after all the 3 body problems are all really hard , high temp superconductivity is hard, turbulence is hard etc. So maybe we perceive magic in some basic formulas because they casually end up corresponding to reality sometimes. 2) If the "it from bit" thing is true , then this theory of mine is relevant, and a good simulation on computer is real just as matter and where is the limits at that point ? We can simulate new physics particles whatever and it is reality ...

You like big numbers? Look at my thread on the universe is a number. Actually it's not a very big number, only to us humans. All conceivable universes are 10^10^10^3.