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Phi...doubt I can understand. Because, even though I believe in the possibility of claims, I do doubt 99% of the stories of psi, paranormal, etc. It still can't hurt to read the book.

Anyway, I tried reading the book and while I find the subject matter fascinating, the book itself is rather dry. I read only about a third of the book but, would like to pick it up again later when I have more time. As far as not finding people who have read the book, I wonder why. Is it because it's about this subject? I mean I have seen the hostility this subject elicits from people here but, c'mon it's just a book. It won't hurt ya. I just wonder what people who do have a background in science (unlike myself) think about what the author claims (if they've read the book).

If you haven't read this book, please refrain from posting. I don't want this discussion to devolve into another, "well, I don't believe in such 'n such" because frankly I don't care what you believe about psi phenomena. I just want an honest discussion about what people think about what the book contains.

Really?! That's pretty cool and fascinating no matter how they consider it.

Has anyone here read this book? If so, what are your thoughts? "This myth-shattering book explains the evidence for the veracity of psychic phenomena, uniting the teachings of mystics, the theories of quantum physics, and the latest in high-tech experiments. With painstaking research and deft, engaging prose, Radin dispels the misinformation and superstition that have clouded the understanding of scientists and laypeople alike concerning a host of fascinating oddities. Psychokinesis, remote viewing, prayer, jinxes, and more--all are real, all have been scientifically proven, and the proof is in this book. Radin draws from his own work at Princeton, Stanford Research Institute, and Fortune 500 companies, as well as his research for the U.S. government, to demonstrate the surprising extent to which the truth of psi has already been tacitly acknowledged and exploited. THE CONSCIOUS UNIVERSE also sifts the data for tantalizing hints of how mind and matter are linked. Finally, Radin takes a bold look ahead, to the inevitable social, economic, academic, and spiritual consequences of the mass realization that mind and matter can influence each other without having physical contact. Director of the Consciousness Research Laboratory at the University of Nevada at Las Vegas and twice president of the Parapsychology Association, Dean Radin, Ph.D., has done cutting-edge parapsychology research for AT&T, Stanford, Princeton's Engineering Anomalies Research Lab, the University of Edinburgh, S.R.I. International, and the U.S. Government. He lives in Las Vegas, NV." (from Amazon.com)

A better question would be why some people find it attractive to dress up as or dress someone else up as a horse (besides the obvious dominance issues).

Thank you, Sisyphus. The fact of whether God does or doesn't exist or whether it could or couldn't be proven, was beside the point. Unfortunately it seems, aside from a few (thank you for your thoughts), that people cannot avoid arguing that. So, can the mods lock this discussion please?

No Geeez, where's your sense of humor?

I see what you're saying there, and I agree, but what of the people who did believe in God/afterlife and listen to science? Humans overall are emotional creatures, do you think there would be a rational reaction to learning that God is dead?

Let's see...A few here have offered their opinions (good) and I found them interesting. A few are still debating whether God could or could not be proven (moot in this case). And others are debating everybody else's opinions without offering their own (pointless for this discussion). So, let's start over shall we? 1. Let's say, for the sake of argument, science HAS proven that the layman's idea of God and an afterlife DO NOT exist. There is no debate anymore on this. It's been proven beyond a shred of doubt. Period. Done. 2. What impact do you feel, think, believe, theorise this would have on humanity as a whole. I don't want data, just shoot from the hip. 3. I don't care if ANYONE has data to back them up either way. Nor do I care if someone's opinion here has basis in scientific fact. It is an opinion after all.

You're welcome

I completely agree. I was just pointing out that I was accepting opinions as well as any hard data about this question.

Since this thread is about speculation and the fact that I did originally ask, "what affect if any do you feel..." personal opinion has just as much to do with this subject as does any data you wish to bring forth. I'm asking for thoughts, opinions, feelings, beliefs, etc...speculation, if you will.

Uh huh. Yes, I see what you're saying there...but ummm, when I asked her, while we were casually sitting around watching TV, she didn't readily have any available data on hand. My theory, and this is also just speculation, is she was just offering her own opinion.

Hmmm...ok, fair enough. I guess I should have said that I meant the standard layman's definition of God (ie..yaweh, allah, jehovah, the big guy upstairs, etc). I posed the question to a co-worker (staunch Christian) last night at work and he says that there'd be a loss of hope, while my fiancee thinks suicide rates would rise. Merged post follows: Consecutive posts merged Good point, and I tend to agree. Would that be a form of cognitive dissonance? In regards to your question, I don't know. Let's just say science found a way and did it. Lol.