Douglas

here's a couple

Martin, I'd like to see the article by Tamara Davis and Charles lineweaver. I'm not a cosmologist, but am interested in the sciences. Seems to me, that if the galaxies were receding faster than the speed of light, that we'd never ever see the light from those galaxies, or the frequency of the red shift would drop below the bandwidth of our eyes

Look Phi, I believe you're trying to muddy the waters here in an effort to extract yourself from the tenuous position you've put yourself in. Now, I don't mind if you think Bush is a liar, or that he lied for an excuse to go to war, that's your prerogative. As for me, I believe that he may have been misled, but not lied. I think that most responsible people believe as I do. So, let's terminate this.

Phi for All Nope, that's your problem. If there was any evidence of that, and believe me, the democrats would have sniffed it out, Bush would have been impeached by now. WOW Let's try again. We'll ask the politicians (in congress) and democratic strategists if .....Bush told a lie in order to get backing to go to war, jeapordizing thousands of lives and spending billions of dollars to do so........ from you.

Sayonara The questions were directed to Mad Mardigan. I was not answering the questions, I was simply asking a question related to the alleged lies. I don't like to answer for Mad Mardigan, since his answer's may be different than mine, however, to satisfy the equation, my answers are NO. That leaves Phi able to answer my questions Many people have called him a liar, especially the left wing tabloids on the internet, in addition to Kennedy (the only senetor), Carville, Moore, Franken and others. Anyway, I'm open to suggestions for a " good foundation for trust"

Hey Phi, you're pretty funny. Talk about evasive, you did a real nifty job of side stepping my questions. Anyway, to my knowledge, Ted Kennedy was the only person in congress to publicly call Bush a liar. Now, let's face facts, you can find 100+ web sites that call Bush a liar, but you can't find 10% of Congress that will call him a liar. If there was any credible evidence that Bush lied (like Clinton/Monica), the dems would be all over his butt, calling for a Congressional or independant investigation. When I see that, and it looks like he's guilty, I'll jump on your bandwagen.

I'm referring to "this thread" page two, #37,38,39. Sorry, I should have specified.

I have two questions......If you polled all the Democrats in the U.S. Congress, how many would publicly say....that Bush is a liar? If you polled all the Democratic political strategists that you see on TV, how many would publicly say that Bush is a liar? (in addition to Carville)

Albert Einstein (a pacifist) wrote a personal letter to Franklin D. Roosevelt, urging him to develop the atomic bomb. Ronald Reagan listened to the scientists and advisors, then started the "star wars" program......not greeted very nicely by the press.

Is it because of the war in Iraq that Euro's think...".'He can't possibly be worse than Bush!'"? Do they have other reasons?

John, I'm glad to see that you checked the deficit as a % of GDP. As you can see, it's is less than Clinton's around '92/'93. It was about that time when we had the computer, internet, .com, software explosion. Everything was rosy, and would have been under any president. However, that bubble burst around 2000.

"I do give the nod to the Democratic side of the debate here." Are you talking this particular thread?

I believe the cash was spent after 9/11, I'm sure I don't have to tell "on what"

Fair enough.....Now, why do they want Bush out?

In my opinion, your subject line is fine. For those that say that Bush has created the biggest deficit in history, it very well may be, however this *IS* 2004. What's important, is the deficit as a percentage of the gross domestic product (GDP). check out the link below (PDF) and scroll to page 5 http://www.ustreas.gov/offices/economic-policy/round_table_documents/2004/miller.pdf

I watched O'reilly last night also. For those people who think he's a right wing lunatic, probably have never seen his program, or are left wing lunatics. I to, am interested on why the EU's would like to see Kerry elected.

Hey Mad Mardigan, that guy isn't as biased as Danny boy.

Good point, you can get on an Iranian website and call them any name you want.........and still retain your rights.

Good reading http://www.marionstar.com/news/stories/20040922/opinion/1283456.html

Sayonara, you may be right. I'll check on the American deficit as a percentage of the gross national product (GNP) as see how it compares with other years. As for your last sentence, I think Bush plans on being the successor of the shit hole that he left.

apropos my above post.