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Heh, Yeah i guess things do get derailed quite easily in the religious forum. Pretty easy to lose track, You could end up one second talking about how you see humanism being promoted worldwide (Not saying it is just i.e.) and the next second your talking about what the structure of an atom has to do with religious validity. Now ill just shut up and leave you guys to your arguments

The reference isn't to god himself but to evil/satan.

Sorry i about that i was actually unclear, By that i meant quality of life.

For my case? Or for christianity as a whole?

2 Corinthians 4:3-4 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

With a condescending assumption to match it.

Me too. You are encouraged to do good deeds out of pure love for the person rather than going to heaven in mind when you die. But of course alot of the time that does not happen and people cant help but look at that.

Point taken and accepted, But to a believing theist your reason for doing so is of no matter to them because this life is most insignifigant. Same to an atheist, why would the thought of eternal life intrigue someone that dosn't believe in life after death in the first place? Which is another theist/atheist dig.

I have acknowledged that i don't have the evidence that you want me to give you. The issue with it is that you run off of physical evidence that you can see, feel and touch while being sure your not hallucinating. We operate on something we hold "higher" than direct physical evidence. I have no case against atheism itself. Nor a case i could present to an atheist as a case for theism. Only my account. But this is insignifigant. So no argument between the two is possible. Again, the assumption that i am trying to insult you and say that you never gave us a look.

Maybe... But thats just an assumption they may not. You haven't been inside my head and you have not been in theirs. Besides the fact itself you get what you give does not act as evidence. Only what is contained within it. But that is just as useless to atheist because they dont see things that way because they havent given the faith to.

Perhaps so. But you do not always need an eye-witness account for it to be completely reliable. I guess ill look up on it and see what i find.

How does what you get in return when you give more faith also evidence other religions? The fact that you get what you give is of course not "solid" evidence to any of the parties. Only if it shows true in that religion and what it is you realize and understand. But on the other side this acts as nothing to atheist. They can ponder the truthful nature of the statement itself.

Well i am not only arguing to benefit you in the next but give you satisfaction in this one as well. Not as an insult to your kind nature or anything like that but i must bring up the question, Are you doing so to benefit ME in this life or are you doing it to benefit YOU? Not trying to question you as a good person i just want you to examine it. Then tell me, ME, YOU? Or OTHERS?

It is clear that we were given the option to choose whether to follow him or to not. Fundamentalism was just huge misunderstanding of religion. If you don't want to hear it then you wont. If you don't want to believe than don't. We were not given this choice so that we could take control of those that chose the other option and FORCE them to make our same decision. If we weren't supposed to have the choice then we wouldn't have it. As long as we understand that fundamentalism shouldn't happen again.

I already said that this does not act as evidence for you. I already said that if they dont want to hear it than they wont hear it.