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OK, accepted, which makes this excellent 5 part movie even more factual then I originally thought. Thanks.

Welcome! Thinking outside the box is admirable, but first one must be familiar with what is inside the box.

Manipulation or application of science? The graviton is a quantum thingy and has not yet been found, but yes, it would be pretty small.

At the time misinformation was given out by the authorities, and it did appear some attempted cover up, and I seem to recall, that the first international news of it was from Sweden?? that had detected a rise in radioactivity in the atmosphere. Agreed but when some of the wives and relatives were at the hospital to see their stricken Husbands, they were not allowed. All clothes etc were removed and confined in safe quarters, so their was no contaminant on any of the patients. At least that is what I recall. I have no qualms at all with the reasonable accurate account in the movie and also thought the actors played their parts well. I may well watch it again, next week, as I hold it in high regard and a excellent production.

Crap!

Um, you don't have a theory...You have a hypothesis that is unsupported. The accretion disk model/theory has already been observed many times in distant stellar systems. And no I have not watched your video...well not beyond the first 10 seconds or so. U tube videos are a dime a dozen. Of course if you have something reputable supporting your hypothetical, then sure, I'll watch it. Can this be moved to speculations?

My first thought is why didn't you post this in speculations? My second thought is nonsense. My third thought is that we have a reasonable theory for the creation of Earth and the rest of the planets, and have observational evidence to support that theory from observing distant star systems in different stages of evolution that align with the accretion disk model/theory.

Had cause to use the toilet cubicle at my local watering hole yesterday, and there was some graffiti at the bottom of the door which read, "Beware of Limbo Dancers" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Three very close Irish brothers while having a beer were discussing one of them who decided to move to Australia....Paddy said to Mick and Sean, the drinking together is what I'm really going to miss. In future why when we are having a beer, don't we always continue to order three beers as we do now. They all agreed this was a wonderful idea! The day came finally when Paddy boarded his plane and left his two brothers at the terminal in tears. Paddy quickly settled down in Sydney and found a nice little watering hole close by. He walked in one day and went up to the bartender and asked for three schooners of beer. The bartender obliged and watched Paddy take them back to an empty table, and slowly drink the three beers. The next day Paddy again did the same thing and continued for the rest of the week....into the Pub, order three schooners and drink them. Finally the bartender's curiosity got the better of him and he asked Paddy one day, "Hey Paddy why do you order three beers all at the same time? Why not one at a time and then they would remain chilled and not get warm and we always have plenty on tap. So Paddy told him about his two brothers in Ireland and how they would continue to order for the one/s that were absent and maintain their custom and closeness. The bartender nodded and wiped a tear from his eye and said, "Ahh that's beautiful Paddy, I understand now" After this daily routine continued for a month or so, the Pub locals got to know Paddy and accepted the rather weird behaviour of ordering three beers at a time. One day however Paddy came in and ordered two schooners. The bartender's jaw dropped and he sadly gave Paddy the two schooners and accepted that Paddy had lost one of his brothers who had passed on. Quickly he decided on a course of action and went around to all the other locals, told them that one of Paddy's brothers had died and took up a collection for their grieving friend. The bartender went across to Paddy and gave him the sizable sum of money to help. Paddy looked bemused and asked, "what's this for?" The bartender sadly explained and offered his condolences for his loss. Paddy looked up and laughed, "No no"he said, "You have it all wrong!" My brothers are all OK...It's me! I've given up drinking!!"

We have so far found a heap of near Earth sized planets that exist within the Goldilocks zone. As yet I don't think we have researched them thoroughly enough to determine their atmospheres etc. Planets in the Goldilock zones are those where liquid water can exist on the surface. With hot Jupiters, we [astronomers] have reason to believe in a process called planetary migration, at least early on in a stellar systems formation. Just as obviously the discovery of hot Jupiters was always going to be the easiest to find, hence the early numbers of them. Terrestrial sized planets in habitable zones came later as methodologies were refined. The only problem with any potential life on a super Earth, is that any space endeavours would be far harder to achieve then on Earth...escape velocities and all that.

Agreed, and both sides to some extent, sensationalized and indulged in hysterics including the author of the original article in the OP of the thread this was split from. All I say is that if we are to err, we need to err on the side of caution.

Do you really need to be there to have a reasonable picture of what happened? We can be reasonably sure that a near catastrophic accident occurred, people died and are dying, an attempted cover up of the accident by the former USSR.

I think you have made some valid points. As long as humanity can survive its follies and perhaps any natural extinction event, and given the time, we may even go beyond the solar system...given the time! UFO's are just that...unidentified. And while I certainly believe we are not alone in this universe, as yet we have no evidence of any life off the Earth, let alone any visiting Earth. Time and distance will always be the great barriers making inter-species contact difficult to say the least. I would envisage and speculate that In an advanced age [perhaps 100 years in the future] we may have the technology, know how and will power to send generation ships to the stars, Proxima Centauri for example...

https://phys.org/news/2019-06-old-school-climate-denial-day.html Why old-school climate denial has had its day by Michael J. I. Brown, The Conversation New South Wales, which was 100% drought-declared in August 2018, is already suffering climate impacts. Credit: Michael Cleary The Coalition has been re-elected to government, and after six years in office it has not created any effective policies for reducing greenhouse emissions. Does that mean the Australian climate change debate is stuck in 2013? Not exactly. While Australia still lacks effective climate change policies, the debate has definitely shifted. It's particularly noticeable to scientists, like myself, who were very active participants in the Australian climate debate just a few years ago. The debate has moved away from the basic science, and on to the economic and political ramifications. And if advocates for reducing greenhouse emissions don't fully recognise this, they risk shooting themselves in the foot. more at link......

There are many stunning photographs at APOD [Astronomy Picture Of the Day] some far more stunning then others...just type in APOD...a new one everyday. Here's another..... SEIS: Listening for Marsquakes Image Credit: NASA, JPL-Caltech, Mars Insight Explanation: If you put your ear to Mars, what would you hear? To find out, and to explore the unknown interior of Mars, NASA's Insight Lander deployed SEIS late last year, a sensitive seismometer that can detect marsquakes. In early April, after hearing the wind and motions initiated by the lander itself, SEIS recorded an unprecedented event that matches what was expected for a marsquake. This event can be heard on this YouTube video. Although Mars is not thought to have tectonic plateslike the Earth, numerous faults are visible on the Martian surface which likely occurred as the hot interior of Mars cooled -- and continues to cool. Were strong enough marsquakes to occur, SEIS could hear their rumbles reflected from large structures internal to Mars, like a liquid core, if one exists. Pictured last week, SEIS sits quietly on the Martian surface, taking in some Sunwhile light clouds are visible over the horizon.

Image Credit: NASA, Juno, SwRI, MSSS; Processing & License: Gerald Eichstädt & Sean Doran Explanation: What's that black spot on Jupiter? No one is sure. During the latest pass of NASA's Juno around Jupiter, the robotic spacecraft imaged an usually dark cloud feature informally dubbed the Abyss. Surrounding cloud patterns show the Abyss to be at the center of a vortex. Since dark features on Jupiter's atmosphere tend to run deeper than light features, the Abyss may really be the deep hole that it appears -- but without more evidence that remains conjecture. The Abyss is surrounded by a complex of meandering clouds and other swirling storm systems, some of which are topped by light colored, high-altitude clouds. The featured image was captured last month while Juno passed only about 15,000 kilometers above Jupiter's cloud tops. The next close pass of Juno near Jupiter will be in July. ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Anyone like to hazard a guess?

I'm invoking the forest and the trees again.

Correct and accurate on all counts.

Yes I heard you et pet [if it is I you are referring to] and I replied that it is no more hysterical then Perhaps you are unable to see the forest for the trees?

Bingo! obviously, and just as obviously the uncredentialed author of that piece, designed "hysterically" to apparently add to the derision of climate change. And yet we are asked to consider this..... Sheesh!!! Let's not encourage any conspiracy claims!

Well as we all know movies are movies are movies, even those supposedly based on true life, and sometimes the truth gets left behind. This however in my opinion, seem to cover fairly accurately what one did learn from this incident...the main theme to evolve from the movie and was pretty factual, was the failed governemnt coverup. If one "error" did stand out as I was watching it, is the suggestion in the movie that radioactive poisoning is contagious. Still though even the greatest sci/fi movie of all time had some errors. [2001: A Space Odyssey] I did find this account of what the movie portrayed and what actually happened..... https://www.cinemablend.com/television/2475038/chernobyl-how-factually-accurate-was-the-hbo-show "Chernobyl is a fantastic miniseries and it won’t be a surprise if it cleans up at the Emmy Awards in September. While there is a lot of dramatic license taken, as to be expected, the creators also took great pains to make sure that most of the basic facts of the nuclear accident at Chernobyl are historically accurate and for that they deserve a lot of credit". The Russians of course may not be happy with the general message of the failed government cover up and their general handling of the truth but that's life when things like that are attempted.

I have often mentioned mainly in relation to space exploration, that we need to proceed as a united species and obviously would need to overcome our human frailties and follies in doing this. So do I, and I believe [or maybe it could be just hope] that the many more thousands of good people, can overcome the likes of Trump and his ilk. But my optimism is also tempered somewhat by the election of the likes of Trump, and in more very recent times, the election of "conservative" state and Federal governments in NSW and Australia.

I just finish watching a series doco [in 4 parts] and would recommend it's viewing. Describing it in a word? Scary......Í can't say how close it is to the actual truth but you can gauge that for yourself.........

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2019-06-07/fossil-nuts-from-gondwanan-beech-tree-challenges-plant-evolution/11184956 Fossil nuts from ancient Gondwanan beech tree challenge plant evolution: Nothing could be more different to the dry windy plains of Patagonia than the moist rainforests of the New Guinea highlands. Yet researchers reporting today in the journal Science say fossils of a beech tree found in southern Argentina are from a genus which these days grows in the wet forests of South-East Asia and New Guinea — thousands of kilometres north of freezing Patagonia. Key points: Plant fossils found in Patagonia are from the Castanopsis genus, which grew there when South America was joined to Australia through Antarctica When Australia split from Antarctica, it drifted north carrying plants from the last remnant of Gondwana with it Some say this is how Castanopsis came to be in places like New Guinea today, but not everyone is convinced. They say the 52-million-year-old fossils, found at a site called Laguna del Hunco, are leaves and clusters of fruit (containing largish seeds, or nuts) from an extinct species dubbed Castanopsis rothwellii. The find is particularly puzzling because the ancient tree is from the plant family that includes oak and chestnut trees, which evolved in the northern hemisphere, said author Peter Wilf, a professor of geosciences from Penn State University. "It's like finding a polar bear in Antarctica," Professor Wilf said. more at link......

Thanks MigL...Interesting yes!

Assuming we all agree with the above, I decided to read the OP again and see if anything else struck me.....it did....[1] Who is this Roger I Roots? [2] He then smugly claims " In recent years the National Park Service prominently featured brochures, signs and films which boldly proclaimed that all glaciers at GNP were melting away rapidly. But now officials at GNP seem to be scrambling to hide or replace their previous hysterical claims while avoiding any notice to the public that the claims were inaccurate." Hysterical claims??? Perhaps he needs to ask himself, what was at stake? Or just suggest that they may have been in error? We often here the same unscientific half claims, when a particular cold day brings the anti climate change adherents out of the woodwork to exclaim, see!! Look at that? Then I found this, only a couple of years old and my thoughts were illustrated...https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/may/11/us-glacier-national-park-is-losing-its-glaciers-with-just-26-of-150-left "Warming winters are bringing more rain, rather than glacier-forming snow, to Montana and other states. Even when there is plenty of snow, as Montana experienced this winter, the increasing heat of spring and summer is melting it away more quickly. Spring snow melts are now occurring at least two weeks earlier than they were in the 1960s" and “The glaciers have waxed and waned with different climate fluctuations but this is the first time they are heading for almost certain extinction,” Farge said". and "This is the first time in 7,000 years they’ve experienced this temperature and precipitation. There’s no hope for them to survive. We’d need a major reversal where it would get cooler, not just stop getting warmer. There’s nothing to suggest that will happen.” "According to Nasa, the world’s glaciers have lost around 400bn tons of ice per year since 1994, a decline that has impacted wildlife, increased wildfire risk in places and contributed to rapid sea level rise". In essence then I would very much say that as opposed to being an interesting article, it is more another example of a non qualified person, jumping on the anti bandwagon to perhaps make a bigger name for himself, by trying to criticise the science, and jumping to unqualified conclusions. What do others think? Again, while neither a climatologist or a scientist, I am of the opinion that the seriousness and consequences of climate change, makes it imperitive that if we are to err, we must err on the side of caution. Interestingly, a similar argument is often used with regards to the Great Barrier Reef, which for me is much closer to home.