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A rose by any other name.....Call it what you like...It is based on nothing scientific and is just unsupported myth and coincidence.

Perhaps this thread could be merged with the "https://www.scienceforums.net/topic/118067-nasa-says-goodbye-to-pioneering-mars-rover/ thread. Awesome and Incredible science is really the only description one could apply. Goodbye Opportunity!

Probably actually the only moral decision that could have justly been made by firstly the British Empire, and then the USA. I've read many thoughts on the dropping of the Nuclear bombs on Japan, and the possible alternatives, like giving them a demonstration as to the power of this new device. To this day, I'm still not 100% sure. My Uncle came home with money the Japanese had printed to use In Australia when they invaded, so confident were they....

Numerology! Like Astrology is based on myth, and ignorance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numerology "Numerology is any belief in the divine or mysticalrelationship between a number and one or more coinciding events.[2] It is also the study of the numerical value of the letters in words, names, and ideas. It is often associated with the paranormal, alongside astrology and similar divinatory arts.[3] Despite the long history of numerological ideas, the word "numerology" is not recorded in English before c.1907.[4] The term numerologist can be used for those who place faith in numerical patterns and draw pseudo-scientific inferences from them, even if those people do not practice traditional numerology. For example, in his 1997 book Numerology: Or What Pythagoras Wrought, mathematician Underwood Dudley uses the term to discuss practitioners of the Elliott wave principle of stock market analysis."

I prefer proof as indisputable, as in mathematics, and evidence, according to degree of evidence.

No, a clock is a basic measuring tool...It measures time...how much time has passed between successive events. Time is there, it exists, just as space exists.

UFO stands for Unidentified Flying Object. They are unidentified and most are scientifically explained by weather phenomena, illusions and delusions, weird cloud shapes, or just plain old trickery by pranksters. While some UFO's remain unscientifically explained [around 5% from memory] It is an extraordinary claim, to claim they are controlled by Alien intelligent beings, and as a great man once said [Carl Sagan] extraordinary claims, require extraordinary evidence. In saying all that, most scientists do accept that life should exist somewhere, sometime, for many reasons....the sheer vast extent of the universe, the incalculable vast numbers of stars and planets, and the stuff of life being everywhere we look. But sadly, we as yet have no evidence of that existence.

The supernatural and paranormal are non scientific scenarios, and more nonsense then possible. But we are getting off topic. This is about disproving the nonsensical claims of various varieties of creationist, which has been done. I'm well aware of the bible and what it generally entails, and also the many hundreds of interpretations put on the many hundreds of obscure texts.

Yes, evolution is an incredibly awesome scenario...thanks for highlighting some of those aspects. As is a universe literally arising from nothing and cosmology and science....https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21328472-000-trying-to-make-the-cosmos-out-of-nothing/ or....https://www.astrosociety.org/publication/a-universe-from-nothing/ People will of course will interpret something so obscurely written as the bible, by obscure men, in an obscure age, to mean about whatever tickles their agenda. I prefer science, the scientific method and reason. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag6fH8cU-MU https://theconversation.com/even-setting-evolution-aside-basic-geology-disproves-creationism-40356 Even setting evolution aside, basic geology disproves creationism https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/15-answers-to-creationist/ 15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense Opponents of evolution want to make a place for creationism by tearing down real science, but their arguments don't hold up <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Hope some of that helps.

When the Catholic Church endorses the theory of Evolution and the BB as not contradictory to creation and some magical sky pixie, it shows the preponderance of evidence for evolution and the BB as both as near certain as any scientific theory can be, are they aware of how it reduces the bible to fairy tale status, and those spouting rhetoric to the contrary, are doing nothing but spouting nonsense. It also shows in my opinion, how science/cosmology, [even in the view of the Catholic church] has pushed back the need for any supernatural being into near oblivion, well at least 10-43 seconds from oblivion! It then of course induces the YEC's and other assorted variety of god botherers, to keep mounting their white chargers and conducting their fruitless campaigns against science. The OP gives some examples of such

I couldn't agree more! Whether left, right, or centre of the political spectrum, this matter is too important to indulge purely on a political basis, but so many do apply that standard. In Australia at this time, we are having devastating bush fires in three states, once in a 500 years flood in Queensland, and record temperatures, approaching and exceeding 40C even on the coast.

https://newatlas.com/earliest-evidence-life-mobility/58435/ Two billion-year old fossils reveal earliest evidence of living locomotion: For most of the time Earth has been inhabited, life took the form of single-celled organisms that just sat there in lumps, or floated around on water currents. But now fossils found in the African country of Gabon have turned up the earliest evidence of life showing some initiative and moving around of its own accord. It now seems that life was mobile some 1.5 billion years earlier than previously thought. more at link...........

https://www.space.com/mars-rover-opportunity-declared-dead.html One of the great exploration stories of our time is officially over. NASA declared its Opportunity Mars rover dead today (Feb. 13), more than eight months after the solar-powered robot went silent during a raging dust storm on the Red Planet — and a day after the final calls to wake Oppy up went unanswered. "I declare the Opportunity mission as complete, and with it the Mars Exploration Rover mission complete," Thomas Zurbuchen, associate administrator of NASA's Science Mission Directorate, said today during an event at the agency's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) in Pasadena, California. [Mars Dust Storm 2018: What It Means for Opportunity Rover] Opportunity roamed the Martian surface for nearly a decade and a half, covering more than a marathon's worth of ground and finding conclusive evidence that the Red Planet hosted large bodies of liquid water in the ancient past. The golf-cart-size rover and its twin, Spirit, also helped bring Mars down to Earth, in the minds of scientists and laypeople alike. Spirit and Opportunity "have made Mars a familiar place," Opportunity project manager John Callas, of JPL, told Space.com last year, a few months after the dust storm flared up. "When we say, 'our world,' we're no longer just talking about the Earth. We have to include parts of Mars as well." more at link.......

I have often seen remarks re the beauty of string theory, despite the fact that we are unable as yet to observe at those levels. Is this finally the death knell for string and its many derivatives? Havn't read the two links as yet...busy day to day!

Three things first up....science does not prove anything. It constructs models/theories that best match our observational data, and can if necessary be modified, added to or superseded. A theory is literally the top rung, other then of course laws and principals. Secondly you don't have atheory...you have a hypothetical...Thirdly, the onus is on you to show the incumbent model as invalid, or show your hypothetical as better predicting what we observe. eg: Just as GR did with the limitations of Newtonian mechanics with relation to not being able to explain the precession of the equinox of Mercury. No, time certainly exists, as has been explained to you. Motion occurs in time, while clocks simply measure the time that has passed. You do accept that they are "the consensus theory" because the overwhelming weight of evidence supports them? All observers in all frames of references, measure time passing at one second per second. It is only when comparisons are made, or a particular frame, returns to a former frame that discrepencies will exist. Time is not just a man made concept. Time exists and is related to space, both being created at the BB, although in some unknown concept before t+10-43 seconds. That raises another point, that before you try and invalidate any theory, you should know that theory you are attempting to invalidate completely. Muons in the context mentioned, are more evidence of the validity of time dilation and length contraction is that aspect. S Einstein was mostly right including why these effects happen. He was not infallible though and what mistakes he did make [eg: assuming the universe was static and adding the CC] was humble enough to admit that.

Exactly!! No one knows the answer, particularly in the circumstance someone used re children being marched in front of advancing troops. How could any reasonable decent Soldier handle that! I can thank my lucky stars that I was born at the end of WW2, obviously too young for the Korean war, just missed out on conscription for the Vietnam war, and was too old for any participation in the Iraqy war. Truthfully, I don't know how I would act with bombs and bullets flying around me...I hope responsibly and if necessarilly, heroically, but I just don't know. Two points, most all wars are immoral and wrong, and with regards to WW2 the Allies really had no alternative with Hitler, Mussolini and Japan, other then to do what they did. The only question I would raise is the dropping of the Atomic bombs...just questioning though. The worrying thing for me is how close the Allies [Europe and the British Empire] came to losing the war....if the Brits had not invented radar, If the Luftwaffe had continued bombing military bases instead of switching to surban targets, if Hitler had not invaded the USSR, if Japan had not bombed Pearl Harbour, if Hitler or Japan had of perfected the bomb first, if the Japanese had not been stopped on the Kokoda trail...the list goes on and on.

When the Vietnam war concluded, and Australian troops came home, they were treated like lepers, so great was the anti war attitude in this country. Thank Christ though, that since those times, that treatment of Vietnam Veterans has disappeared, and on Anzac Day [held on 25th April every year in our country, actually to commemorate our greatest defeat in WW1 at Gallipolli ] they march proudly with what is left of their units and are applauded like any return servicemen. Anzac Day was not incorporated to glorify war...not in the least, rather to remember those that fell and did not return, and those that returned, with permanent injuries. We also have clubs open to all memberships,called RSL clubs [returned servicemen league] where to this day without fail, an "ode of remeberence' is read out every evening at 2100hrs without fail. "They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old; Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn. At the going down of the sun and in the morning We will remember them." LEST WE FORGET;

I totally agree...I mean the world is full of ratbags, and the apologists for ratbags, and if one just happens to become a leader and proceed with immoral and unjust actions, something needs to be done, once negotiations and agreements fail. Thanks, but I probably worded that poorly, as I agree totally with what you say. When all options have been implemented and the belligerence continues [as per Hitler in WW2] then yes, certainly humanity needs to act. Standing by, doing nothing and letting some ratbag bully such as Hitler have his way, is immoral. Wars that are morally unjust, will in general, have a barrier of some opposition. The Vietnam war as an example and Australia's participation in it was unjust and many moritorium marches took place in my country, of which I participated in one.

https://phys.org/news/2019-02-possibility-underground-volcanism-mars.html New study suggests possibility of recent underground volcanism on Mars February 12, 2019, American Geophysical Union A study published last year in the journal Science suggested liquid water is present beneath the south polar ice cap of Mars. Now, a new study in the AGU journal Geophysical Research Letters argues there needs to be an underground source of heat for liquid water to exist underneath the polar ice cap. The new research does not take sides as to whether the liquid water exists. Instead, the authors suggest recent magmatic activity—the formation of a magma chamber within the past few hundred thousand years—must have occurred underneath the surface of Mars for there to be enough heat to produce liquid water underneath the kilometer-and-a-half thick ice cap. On the flip side, the study's authors argue that if there was not recent magmatic activity underneath the surface of Mars, then there is not likely liquid water underneath the ice cap. Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2019-02-possibility-underground-volcanism-mars.html#jCp the paper: https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2018GL080985 Water on Mars, With a Grain of Salt: Local Heat Anomalies Are Required for Basal Melting of Ice at the South Pole Today: Abstract: Recent analysis of radar data from the Mars Express spacecraft has interpreted bright subsurface radar reflections as indicators of local liquid water at the base of the south polar layered deposits (SPLD). However, the physical and geological conditions required to produce melting at this location were not quantified. Here we use thermophysical models to constrain parameters necessary to generate liquid water beneath the SPLD. We show that no concentration of salt is sufficient to melt ice at the base of the SPLD in the present day under typical Martian conditions. Instead, a local enhancement in the geothermal heat flux of >72 mW/m2 is required, even under the most favorable compositional considerations. This heat flow is most simply achieved via the presence of a subsurface magma chamber emplaced 100 s of kyr ago. Thus, if the liquid water interpretation of the observations is correct, magmatism on Mars may have been active extremely recently. Plain Language Summary: Recent radar observations from the European Space Agency's Mars Express spacecraft have been interpreted as evidence for melting beneath the ice at the south pole of Mars. We model the temperatures in the subsurface to determine the necessary conditions to achieve liquid water at the base of the ice cap. Salts lower the melting point of ice, with calcium‐perchlorate generating the lowest temperatures at which melting can be achieved. However, even if there are local concentrations of large amounts of these salts at the base of the south polar ice, typical Martian conditions are too cold to melt the ice. We find that a local heat source within the crust is needed to increase the temperatures, and a magma chamber within 10 km of the ice could provide such a heat source. This result suggests that if the liquid water interpretation of the observations is correct, magmatism on Mars may have been active extremely recently.

https://phys.org/news/2019-02-james-clerk-maxwell-telescope-flare.html The Hawaii-based James Clerk Maxwell Telescope (JCMT) has discovered a stellar flare 10 billion times more powerful than the Sun's solar flares, a history-making discovery that could unlock decades-old questions about the origin of our own Sun and planets, giving insight into how these celestial bodies were born. Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2019-02-james-clerk-maxwell-telescope-flare.html#jCp the paper: https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/1538-4357/aaf3b1/meta The JCMT Transient Survey: An Extraordinary Submillimeter Flare in the T Tauri Binary System JW 566 Abstract: The binary T Tauri system JW 566 in the Orion Molecular Cloud underwent an energetic, short-lived flare observed at submillimeter wavelengths by the SCUBA-2 instrument on 2016 November 26 (UT). The emission faded by nearly 50% during the 31 minute integration. The simultaneous source fluxes averaged over the observation are at 450 μm and at 850 μm. The 850 μm flux corresponds to a radio luminosity of , approximately one order of magnitude brighter (in terms of ) than that of a flare of the young star GMR-A, detected in Orion in 2003 at 3mm. The event may be the most luminous known flare associated with a young stellar object and is also the first coronal flare discovered at submillimeter wavelengths. The spectral index between 450 and 850 μm of α = 0.11 is broadly consistent with nonthermal emission. The brightness temperature was in excess of . We interpret this event to be a magnetic reconnection that energized charged particles to emit gyrosynchrotron/synchrotron radiation

Actually as Einstein showed, mass/energy warps spacetime and we get gravity. Gravity is simply geometry.

No you didn't. No you can't.

International cooperation.

Yes that certainly as many of us were, including myself. As many of us mature though, it becomes obvious that some obscure book, written by obscure men, in an obscure age, is nothing more then a book of fairy tales.