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While certainly having known detrimental effects over long time periods, there are allowences made for it on the ISS. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valeri_Polyakov Valeri Polyakov Born Valeri Vladimirovich Polyakov 27 April 1942 (age 79) Tula, Russia, Soviet Union Status Retired Nationality Russian Occupation Medical doctor Time in space 678d 16h 32m . He is the holder of the record for the longest single stay in space in human history, staying aboard the Mir space station for more than 14 months (437 days 18 hours) during one trip.[1] His combined space experience is more than 22 months

So you do indulge in conspiracy nonsense! We, the world that is, as I stated, had ring side seats for all manned NASA space flights...in fact so open and above board, that by Apollo 13, the public had become rather blaise about such adventures. The USSR and Russia of course, were no where near as open and frank. In fact from recollection, we had very postumous knowledge about some Russians that have perished in space, unlike the openess and frankness of NASA.eg; the Challenger and Columbia disasters, at the exact time they happened.

Facts tell a different story from your rather fanciful hopes and dreams. We followed all manned US space shots in every detail from Sheppard and Glenn, through to Apollo 11, including the near tragedy of Apollo 13. The USSR never did that and Russia would still not do it under any circumstances.

Other then of course that the USSR was renowned in operating under a veil of secrecy, as does Russia to a lesser extent probably. I see know reason to doubt those facts re secrecy.

I'll accept the official explanation thank you.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Yuri_Gagarin Wrapped in secrecy, the cause of the crash that killed Gagarin is uncertain and became the subject of several theories.[5][6] At least three investigations into the crash were conducted separately by the Air Force, official government commissions, and the KGB.[7][8] According to a biography of Gagarin by Jamie Doran and Piers Bizony, Starman: The Truth Behind the Legend of Yuri Gagarin, the KGB worked "not just alongside the Air Force and the official commission members but against them. The conclusion of the committee was the following: due to the changes in the air environment during the flight (the details weren't specified) the crew made an abrupt manoeuvre resulting in a spin. Despite the crew's efforts to reinstate the engine in a horizontal direction, the aircraft crashed in the ground resulting in the death of the pilots. No deficiencies or technical errors in the plane were found. The chemical analysis of the remains and the pilots' blood didn't find any external chemical substance :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: And for your info, I don't indulge or entertain conspiracy theories, nor do I lie. What I said.... 7 years later, he was killed in a crash of a Mig jet aircraft along with another Soviet air force personal named Vladimir Seryogin in what has been claimed to be mysterious circumstances

No one is denying that there will be many problems to overcome Ken, and no one is denying that new technology will be needed to achieve a manned landing. We all have told you that. What this current debacle is about is someone with an agenda as obvious as dog balls, spraying all the unsupported venom and trolling he can muster at someone [Musk and Space-X] who is at least trying something, achieving much success and with a vision. Time at this stage for a famous quote

Why? They won't...that's as clear as anything could be.

That's nice, and they have my support. Not really concerned about whether China cares about profit or not. *shrug* Is that right? I bet they still don't get to Mars before the USA/NASA/SPACE-X, or even get to the Moon again before the USA/NASA/SPACE-X You seem rather emotionally troubled with the first part of that statement. The second part, if correct, great! Still doesn't mean they will get to Mars before you know who. Ummm, I'm quoting articles. Why can't you recognise that fact? You proceed under many false assumptions, and an obvious agenda.

More news on Musk and Space-X.... https://www.cnet.com/news/spacex-simplified-everything-you-need-to-know-about-elon-musks-rocket-empire/#:~:text=SpaceX%2C the rocket company founded,of taking humans to Mars. extract: SpaceX grabbed heaps of attention in February of 2018 when it launched Falcon Heavy, the most powerful rocket launched from the US since the Saturn V that sent astronauts to the moon. Basically, three Falcon 9 rockets strapped together, the huge launch system sent a test payload consisting of Musk's personal red Tesla Roadster in the direction of Mars. Two of the three Falcon 9s that made up Falcon Heavy also landed nearly simultaneously at Cape Canaveral, Florida. More than 15 years after his initial trip to Moscow, Musk finally pulled off the international spectacle he had conceived in 2001, and he's also built a viable business in the process. The second launch of Falcon Heavy came April 11, 2019, and was followed by the first successful landing of all three first-stage rocket cores. A third Falcon Heavy launch was conducted June 25, 2019, and SpaceX took reusability a step further by catching the payload fairing (the nose cone that shields the payload during launch) using a ship equipped with a gigantic net. and catching "the payload fairing" https://www.cnet.com/news/spacex-camera-captures-incredible-view-of-rocket-part-returning-to-earth/ and..... https://www.cnet.com/news/elon-musk-spacex-aim-to-launch-sn15-mars-rocket-prototype-soon/ ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: What impresses me with regards to some of Space-X failures, is the open report system given to news outlets throughout the world. Obviously no hidden variables and all is hung out to dry...impressive as is most of what this man has achieved.

Some more info on Space -X and the "Block 5 Falcon 9: https://www.cnet.com/news/spacex-launches-block-5-falcon-9-reusable-rocket/ SpaceX launches Block 5 Falcon 9, a radically reusable rocket Elon Musk & Co. send up a rocket that's designed to head back to space 99 more times. 1 The first Block 5 Falcon 9 blasts off. SpaceX Elon Musk and SpaceX successfully launched the final "Block 5" version of the company's Falcon 9 rocket on Friday, after a last-minute computer abort signal pushed things back a day. Block 5 is the upgraded model Musk says could be reflown about a hundred times. The updated rocket also has a distinctive new look, with a black interstage section that sets it apart from earlier versions. It blasted off from Florida's Kennedy Space Center at 4:14 p.m. ET on Friday, carrying the Bangabandhu satellite-1, the first satellite for Bangladesh. The launch went off like many SpaceX missions before it. The first stage of the Falcon 9 blasted off, sent its payload on the way to orbit and then dove back down through the atmosphere to land safely on the Atlantic-based droneship "Of Course I Still Love You." more..... ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: As I say, Elon Musk, and Space-X will contiue to receive all the support NASA and the general public can give them. Unsupported,rhetorical paranoid, continious dribble on a science forum will not change that.

Nonsense.

Proved it?

Doesn't compare with the Space-X controlled landings vertically, on land, or at sea on a barge and you know this. Again, I'll leave you to your agenda, because it doesn't, nor will it affect ever the reality of what NASA and Space-X, and Roscomos, and the ESA and the Chinese are working towards...not to mention other nations like India for example. Perhaps I need to put them all in contact with you for your advice? 😁 or better still, perhaps you need to come down to Earth and not hide behind that agenda?

https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/spacex-launch-astronauts-iss-recycled-rocket-capsule/story?id=77192131 SpaceX launches 4 astronauts to ISS on recycled rocket and capsule: It will hold up to 7 Astronauts if I remember correctly?

Anyone not hindered by some hidden agenda? No airports on Mars. And of course only being able to parachute down and land in the Ocean, with chances of not finding or sinking, makes it far less reliable then a controlled verticle landing on land[an airport, at sea on a barge, or on Mars. Why don't you come clean and tell us what agenda you have and why you are so obviously[to anyone] have this beef with Musk? Especially since NASA has chosen him above all others? Please straight answers, no personal opinions and rhetorical nonsense, based on rumour or inuendo.

[1] They land verticle. [2] They are not just booster rockets, but rockets and nose cones. You really have a problem with Musk, don't you? I'm off anyway, feeding trolls is wrong. Things to do, places to see. Have fun!

Yes, you are confused and wrong. Unless you are simply trolling and being obtuse? Anyway, your continued rhetorical, religious like nonsense is rather tiring and I have things to do.

Obviously adding to that factual list is the benefits of Musk and Space-X's achievments, with regards to usable vertically returning rockets...... https://www.dnv.com/to2030/technology/reusable-rockets-revolutionizing-access-to-outer-space.html Reusable rockets: revolutionizing access to outer space: "On a crisp December night in 2015 at Vandenberg Air Force Base, California, an explosion eats up the darkness. A roar of burning liquid oxygen fills the air, reaches deafening point then begins to settle as the last flames gutter down and the Falcon 9 reusable rocket makes its first successful return. A hundred or so SpaceX engineers and technicians cry, laugh and jump into hugs. Two years and a couple of months later, the first re-flight of a landed first-stage booster takes place. And so began the revolutionizing of journeys to outer space, and of the CO2 footprint of rocket launches. Since then, recovering of Falcon 9 boosters has become routine and in June this year SpaceX succeeded in recovering the expensive fairing rocket part, also known as the rocket’s nose cone. This was done with Ms.Tree, a modified offshore supply vessel equipped with a giant net. For their next-generation launch rocket, Big Falcon Rocket (BFR), SpaceX aims for 100% reusability. BFR is planned to be available around the mid 2020s, with potential for a variety of applications such as launching satellites, and carrying cargo and crew to space stations, the Moon and Mars. Elon Musk has even suggested that the BFR could be used for high-speed travel between earth destinations, carrying out any long-distance flights in less than 1 hour at a speed of 27000km/h". :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

With the "proven" aspects of Space-X already listed, and the benefits of a forward lokking Elon Musk shown, the next question would be, If any International efforts does take place, would/should China be a part of it?...should they? obviously yes....would they? debatable. At present China seems somewhat preoccupied with showing their military prowess and playing bullying tactics with neighboring nations, including Australia, with aggressive over the top trade sanctions, as payback because Australia has stood up to that aggressiveness in no uncertain terms. Sure they should be a party to any international effort! but will they ever be seen to be acting [in their eyes] subserviant to any other nation. A shame they are so paranoid at this time about such matters. They would of course be beneficial to any international efforts to put man on Mars. I would also bet my short n curlies, they would love to be technically advanced enough, to do it by themselves!

Having given my opinion on when and how we are likley to put boots on Mars, I'll now turn my attention to Elon Musk.... While obviously having a large ego [nothing to wrong with that] he also is doing something worthwhile with that ego and forward thinking....Zip2, Tesla, Space-X tec etc...the Space=X achievements are nothing short of outstanding...the first reusable vertical standing return rocket not being the least of those. I like some of his mottos.... You shouldn’t do things just because they’re different. They need to be better.” “A company only exists if they do useful things for other people… A company must be doing something significant.” “You want the future to be better than the past… Keep thinking about: are these efforts resulting in a better product or service – and if they’re not, stop those efforts.” Don’t be delusional Don’t get infatuated with your brilliant mind. Take it for granted that you might be doing something wrong, and seek the counsel of trusted friends. Or, as Musk puts it: “Constantly seek criticism. A well thought out criticism of whatever you’re doing is as valuable as gold.” “Take as much feedback as you can from as many people as you can.” “What’s the difference between really believing in your ideals and sticking to them, versus pursuing some unrealistic dream that doesn’t really have merit? You have to be very rigorous in your self-analysis.” more of his achievments can be found here........https://careers.workopolis.com/advice/career-inspiration-elon-musk-5-steps-becoming-extraordinary/ :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

Ignoring the troll, and unsupported rhetorical nonsense, and going back to the OP and the vote of whether Musk can get to the Mars by 2024...my vote would probably be no. With the proviso that I most certainly hope I am wrong. 2024 does seem slightly beyond our dreams at this time, even allowing for obvious ongoing improvements in technology and science. My own outlook on what will happen, is that firstly we will return to the Moon and create a colony, probably by the late 2020,s. Harware from there will be sent to Mars, along with hardware in Earth orbit for living capsules etc, in preparation for a manned landing, which by necessity will probably need a stay of around 18 months. Of course this may be shortened or changed depending on technological and scientific advancements made in that time. An international effort is the best way to go, and I'm hopeful enough to believe that such an international effort is not beyond reason. During the same time period, I also envisage some attempts at asteroid mining. Robotics will play a major roll in all of this. Probably the greatest advancement needed, would be protection of the astronauts during any CME's or similar above solar radiation events. Human nature, the need for scientific advancement, the need for exploration, the need for adventure and the human spirit, will see those goals achieved in the course of time, in as safe a manner as possible. Once the basics has been achieved, I see it then advancing in leaps and bounds, and our children, and our children's children, will be witnessed to some incredible progress.

If it doesn't happen in my lifetime, it may as well never happen. 🤣 Stop pretending.

We are going round in circles and I have been asked to ignore the trolls.

A space station? 😊 You mean like that little fart arse space station NASA first launched in 73? Sky Lab it was called. They aren't space stations1 This is a space station!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX#Summary_of_achievements https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk