Consistency

You don't use it. If you don't have the mind to create it in the first place, what gives you the right to use it? LOL. Funny list since it looks like a woman wrote it. Most men admire professional athletes. Sports?

I've been looking for a system which closely describes nature/the unknown and Human Design System is the closest I've come across. A friendly warning: Some links below charge fees for information which is free elsewhere. Don't waste your money. http://www.unifiedlifesciences.com/ftp/education_papers/Intro_to_Design.pdf http://www.jovianarchive.com/Get_Your_Chart http://www.jovianarchive.com/Software/Maia_Mechanics_Imaging#introduction Self-study: http://www.humandesign.com/cartography-course History of Human Design: http://humandesign-deepak.blogspot.com/2010/08/rave-history-1781.html Is it real or not?

Of course there will be poisonous plants. Thats nature. The strong survive and the weak(stupid) wither away. What about this... http://www.physiciantrends.com/Blog/Lifestyle-Medicine/Natural-vs.-Artificial-Supplements.html & http://www.powersupplements.com/ala/01c55144.html ?

http://www.doctorsresearch.com/articles4.html - He is wrong? They are the same under a microscope bu they aren't the same. Edible plants contain co-factors which help with absorption and I'm sure other molecules that have not been discovered yet. Petroleum isn't directly plant derived. It takes years for biological dead matter to turn into petroleum. Which natural toxins are you talking about?

I am not going to waste my time answering your other questions. Learn how the immune system works with nutrients... Antimicrobial peptides are regulated by Retinoids(Vitamin A), Vitamin D and other metabolites. Vitamin A being the most efficient. Vitamin A deficiency is a known problem in Africa. Scientific facts.... -Killing of African trypanosomes by antimicrobial peptides. -Human cathelicidin antimicrobial peptide (CAMP) gene is a direct target of the vitamin D receptor and is strongly up-regulated in myeloid cells by 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D3 -Regulation of Cathelicidin Gene Expression: Induction by Lipopolysaccharide, Interleukin-6, Retinoic Acid(Vitamin A), and Salmonella enterica Serovar Typhimurium Infection -Malaria and vitamin A deficiency in African children: a vicious circle? -Kallikrein expression and cathelicidin processing are independently controlled in keratinocytes by calcium, vitamin D(3), and retinoic acid(Vitamin A). People need drugs because they aren't eating edible leaves on a daily basis in the first place to fulfill their Vitamin A, folate and other nutrient requirements. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_cause

I mean't genetic therapy is unethical in the sense that its based on greed and keeping the mass uneducated about prevention of disease. Is folic acid in supplements petroleum-derived? And if the supplements are petroleum-derived, do they contain petroleum impurities?

Attempts to explain nature? You mean science(the man-made kind) manipulates nature and destroys nature's biodiversity with pesticides? "Evidence" can easily be misinterpreted. Which standard? Religious standard? Natures standard? God didn't write the bible; man did. Faith is not about following the man-made bible, its about letting go of the ego and giving control of your life over to God however in reality people let go of their ego and start feeling the energies inside themselves. Its called confirmation bias. You keep talking to me like I am a religious person. Why do you hate religion so much? I follow natures law and no one elses. So.. nature is unnecessary? If you read the OP's question thoroughly... you'll see that he is not talking about religion at all! Just because people like to go far right(science-atheism?) or far left(religion-theism?) in extremes, it doesn't mean I have to join a group which doesn't agree with my personal values. I am staying in the middle, natures middle, the non man-made middle. note: far right/left has nothing to do with politics. Yes it is. Symbiosis and bacteriological symbiosis.

Science is just like religion; just a different cult that makes stuff up without knowing everything about nature; we are part of nature and so is our biochemistry. The treatment of disease with drugs/vaccines is unethical and unnecessary when eating a diet rich in plants. Yes antibiotics do cure a tuberculosis infection in immunosuppressed individuals. The root cause is always a major nutritional deficiency and a toxic environment. We produce our own antimicrobial peptides when we are healthy. Chemotherapy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemotherapy#Adverse_effects Damage to specific organs is possible: Cardiotoxicity (heart damage) Hepatotoxicity (liver damage) Nephrotoxicity (kidney damage) Ototoxicity (damage to the inner ear), producing vertigo Encephalopathy (brain dysfunction) Nice soup of side effects eh? Its like injecting battery acid in the veins. I am not deciding who gets it or not. I am saying that geneticists need to stop messing around with nature like they know everything. I have an equal issue with everything in the medical industry. I understand your logic though however you don't know what will happen in future generations with the modifications of genetic therapy. Its a gamble and our lives aren't worth that. Do all DNA mutations lead to cancer? Genes aren't the root cause. Folate deficiency(& other nutritional deficiencies) and/or toxic environment leads to Proto-oncogenes to Oncogenes to Cancer. Folate is necessary for the production and maintenance of new cells, for DNA synthesis and RNA synthesis, and for preventing changes to DNA, and, thus, for preventing cancer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folic_acid#Biological_roles Its on topic because I am pointing out why genetic therapy is unethical. http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/folate/NS_patient-folate Are they wrong? http://nutritionovereasy.com/2011/01/folate-vs-folic-acid-whats-the-difference/ Are they wrong? Which one is folic acid in the chart below? http://www.genome.jp/kegg-bin/show_pathway?org_name=hsa&mapno=00790&mapscale=1.0&show_description=show

It isn't and It has nothing to do with me. The law of nature: The strong survive and the weak wither away. So diet may contribute, and it both reduces and causes. It has to do with DNA stability and is a risk reward probability, not a definite. LOL. You didn't understand anything. Folic acid is the synthetic version of folate. The research says... 1) Synthetic(man-made) folic acid is one of the causes of cancer and aggrevates the cancer that is already in the body. 2) A deficiency of natural folate from raw edible leaves causes cancer. 3) Natural folate from raw edible leaves reverses cancer; along with all the other powerful anti-cancer nutrients in leafy greens. The root cause of cancer is a toxic environment and a nutritionally deficient diet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhaBygQTs-A

This is off topic but I haven't seen any actual debates... the link you offered is a parrot talking nonsense with no education in bacteriology and neurogenesis. I stand corrected and you shouldn't tell anyone what they would have been better served to say.. I am not a parrot that regurgitates nonsense like this guy...http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xoz5r3_lecture-5-the-dietary-hypothesis-the-rise-of-humans-great-scientific-debates-john-hawks-ph-d_tech#.UTqB8EqRf94 <- He is wrong... we have microbes in the colon which can convert cellulose(not whole vegetation) to short chain fatty acids. Go ask any qualified bacteriologist. The problem I see in the religion/science debate is how scientists have come in egotistically and have labelled and categorized everything they could get their hands on and called it "science" or "evidence" like its all "factual". And no I am not defending religion. The OP would have been better of to say if we can mix God with science...

This is interesting... http://www.livescience.com/1824-truth-early-puberty.html I'm also curious.. were the males given antipsychotics or antidepressants?

lol sounds like you're making it up as you go.... You're saying that the older sister manipulated the younger bro into sex. The shame could drive someone to kill themselves.

lol Were these people who killed themselves all poor or close to poor? Were they all males or females?

Who said anything about drugs? Yes it is egotistical because the disease isn't treated, the disease is "managed" with drugs which have horrendous side effects, like death. Its somewhat ethical if it cures a disease that someone is born with as long as it doesn't alter the germline as you state however wouldn't a person that is born with an immunodeficiency already have their germline mutated? I don't condone rewarding bad behavior by treating a person who has abused their body with excessive alcohol, smoking, drugs, etc.. Take your time reading the articles below. Folate and cancer: how DNA damage, repair and methylation impact on colon carcinogenesis http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10545-010-9128-0 or if you don't have access to the journal... Page 0 - http://link.springer.com/static-content/0.6248/lookinside/124/art:10.1007/s10545-010-9128-0/000.png Page 1 - http://link.springer.com/static-content/0.6248/lookinside/124/art:10.1007/s10545-010-9128-0/001.png Page 2 - http://link.springer.com/static-content/0.6248/lookinside/124/art:10.1007/s10545-010-9128-0/002.png Page 3 - http://link.springer.com/static-content/0.6248/lookinside/124/art:10.1007/s10545-010-9128-0/003.png Page 4 - http://link.springer.com/static-content/0.6248/lookinside/124/art:10.1007/s10545-010-9128-0/004.png Page 5 - http://link.springer.com/static-content/0.6248/lookinside/124/art:10.1007/s10545-010-9128-0/005.png Page 6 - http://link.springer.com/static-content/0.6248/lookinside/124/art:10.1007/s10545-010-9128-0/006.png Page 7 - http://link.springer.com/static-content/0.6248/lookinside/124/art:10.1007/s10545-010-9128-0/007.png Page 8 - http://link.springer.com/static-content/0.6248/lookinside/124/art:10.1007/s10545-010-9128-0/008.png FOLIC ACID ROLE IN MUTAGENESIS, CARCINOGENESIS, PREVENTION AND TREATMENT OF CANCER http://www.diagnosisp.com/dp/journals/view_pdf.php?journal_id=1&archive=0&issue_id=3&article_id=84 (PDF) Folate, DNA methylation, and gene expression: factors of nature and nurture http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/72/4/903.full.pdf The little known (but crucial) difference between folate and folic acid http://chriskresser.com/folate-vs-folic-acid Folate Supplementation: Too Much of a Good Thing? http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/content/15/2/189.full

My version: If science/religion didn't attempt to act like nature they wouldn't get hated on (for the most part). Some religious people do make valid suggestions regarding the errors in the science albeit their lack of understanding of the man-made names of organisms. Its called hypocrisy. I've never seen scientists blasting other scientists. I usually see scientists agreeing on the same bias to a degree and ganging up on others who disagree. Its the science. Once you see an error; you see them all. If science works to show where it is wrong as you state... why not include suggestions from religious people? Nature is god and god is nature. Place yourself in the shoes of religious people. My grandma is a person that goes to church because she doesn't know anyone else. So.. she goes to church to be a part of a group. Should she pick up a biochemistry book? What about those who lack the intelligence and money to study science in an institution and still want to be part of a peaceful group?

It doesn't inhibit the ability of geneticists from modifying the human genome however don't you see how egotistical it is to modify the human genome of a living individual in the first place when there is a lack of understanding of the interactions in the whole genome? Does modifying the human genome lead to changes of DNA in the sperm in accordance with the initial genome modification? You may know what all the genes are for but there is a fundamental lack of understanding of how the genes work together in a whole with the environment and in symbiosis with commensal microorganisms. You may cure one patient today but what about the offsprings of succeeding generations that carry the modified genes? http://www.ourbodiesourselves.org/book/excerpt.asp?id=95 Is "Severe Combined Immunodeficiency Syndrome" caused by inbreeding? predisposition to cancer? The so called cancer genes need to be activated by a carcinogen in the first place. Diet and environment have everything to do with cancer. A healthy diet supplies the bodies cells with the nutrients they require to defend themselves. Example: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21128180 (lutein is found in edible leaves) A healthy environment supplies the body with clean air instead a harmful environment like a city supplies the body with polluted air which activates cancer genes and also activates the cox-2 inflammatory enzymes. http://carcin.oxfordjournals.org/content/26/11/1846.full http://tpx.sagepub.com/content/32/6/650 If you have a spiritual connection with your wife. No it wasn't my initial statement. This was... "I read your article.. There is more to life than DNA."

What are these regular terms? I agree however we can say the same thing about certain scientists. Its obvious you guy's waste so much time hating on religions for their "evasiveness and vacuous wish thinking" while there is scientists who do the exact same thing. Whats that called? I've come across a lot of science which has been passed down for many years as facts and it still is being passed of as fact while its partly wrong. Science isn't immune to errors. I don't see why including the idea of God(not the religious kind) into the mix causes problems. I am not religious. You don't have to be abusive.

How come scientists never study the unknown without math? Regular terms such as... It detracts from the amazinness because most people associate the name God with religion. I don't understand the hate towards religion in this thread. Scientists should be respectful of religious people since there is religious people who have no interest in science but still have an interest in being part of a group. Hence following a religion serves them even though they don't believe in everything about that religion. All in all.. Religion is excellent form of free therapy.

My first sentece doesn't have double meanings. You're angry cause its true. The OP is talking about humans. So its obviously the human genome. not ethical = unethical. You're just being a perfectionist. Gene therapy causes cancer... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A3926-2005Mar3.html & http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2954986.stm Why should people be rewarded with gene therapy for their bad behaviour? Inactivity, living in a polluted environment and eating nutritionally deficient foods leads to diseases like cancer. Do you not see how egotistical and unethical it is to manipulate genes? Do you not see that you aren't getting to the root of the problem and just trying to fix the problem with a hacked patch? You'll know when you have a spiritual intimate connection with another individual.

Geneticists don't know how all genes interact with one another in total. Its not ethical. Its egotistical. Modifying DNA might lead to new types of Cancers. I read your article.. There is more to life than DNA.

The OP meant God as in the energy of the universe which flows through all of us. Not religion. OP; you can mix the possibility of the existence of a God(s) with science, as a variable. I do this all the time. I strongly believe that anyone without enough life experience, such as a spiritual intimate relationship, has no say in whether a god exists or not. If you can't feel the energies within you, those of others around you and radiate energy through your hands... you haven't had enough life experience to judge on the existence of a god.

DELETE THREAD. Thanks for snipping my comments from the other thread and adding a phony title which I don't believe in.

My posts were snipped from another thread, moved here and a phony title was added to the thread. Just ignore the thread.

a) scientific evidence that certain DNA makes someone smart? b) sudden? actual neurogenesis evidence?