Nelson

The evidence is freely available along with the proof of propaganda. I think in the case of something we don't know or understand,you are missing the point I would simply like to pose the question of its possibility, not obtain numerous debunk information based on your perception pal . Your perception is as unenlightened as anyone else. There were people tested and undefeatedp a 60 year period and unfortunately you must accept that either the hundreds of people employed in the field, their story,and the money spent on it was wrong or your own perception and understanding is wrong . An area of science where very little is told to us and very few theories arise... Left to metaphysics and psionics. I'm not asking you to believe in magic spells pal. Just open your mind to the possibility and discuss it. Don't try debunking it with zero knowledge or experience on it im not trying to like Rv to psychic powers or david blane. so lets dismiss metaphysics and psionics completely?? First of all, you are not my pal, so please take your poorly understood, derogatory use of the phrase between two "actual" mates and do one PAL. i came here posing a question as a well read man with no more and no less understanding of the science of metaphysics and psionics than anyone else here. its an area of science people like yourself easily dismiss because its not understood. After reading a lot and watching a lot of videos, and reading about psionics uses and understandings I feel its not a subject you can just ignore. In MY perception the pro psionics argument is as poorly tarnished as the anti ...... My argument is that Stargate, MK Ultra and SRI were not just funded wastes of time. they involved REAL scientists and had SOME real results in an as yet, reasonable untouched area of science. I didnt come with tales of fairies, magic, psycic power or gold bearing leprechauns and as such i dont need a lesson on how to phrase myself in the proper manner to pedantic scientist dismissives. My reference to experiments and files relate to declassifed documents from MOD and CIA and following such highly funded work over (in my opinion) way too long a time to see if something really exists or not http://www.biomindsuperpowers.com/Pages/CIA-InitiatedRV.html i simply wanted to hear opinions not a backlash or debunk material based on your perception of science. everything we perceive is just a perception. some people hear things that arent there.i want to shed light on something NONE of us really understand because its not taught. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl9Qpv5MDmQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player this field is the general line of enquiry

well the experiments seen real results mate in many government reports throughout the cold war and the cia had so called remote viewing agents up until 91 . while most were undoubtedly fruitless there is too much smoke for there to be no fire. from submarine based experiments to the machine that is shielded yet shows fluctuations around major events ie twin towers and global boom /crash etc. while im still out with the jury on psychic happenings as they appear to be spiritualists or cold readers, i dont believe the senses we all understand are the only ones we posess and the may be something to it. i trawled the net and released governent files and cant rule it out as easily as you seem to be able to. science is to question, not to dismiss pal

im pretty sure it does

SO people, despite our scientific understanding, there was still huge investment and some irrefutable evidence surrounding the topic or remote viewing.. do you believe in the possibility of this ability? i dont class this as a nonsense question and the sheer scale of government funding spent on its investigation (supposedly stopped, although i think not) would suggest it holds some water

didnt know you were into this pal.. i love it i have so much binaural stuff and hypnosis

same point with the age... a finite time = a finite universe

i think he covered suffering, but death has to happen

What in Darwins name are you going on about dude???? are you drunk???# so in conclusion to your thoughts so far guys, do you think the universe has a place of existence or not? its an impossible question but dont fob it off for a "its everything" response

so its safe to label something as unable to understand rather than to question it??? sweep it under the rug ? it just is, is not an explanation http://www.scienceforums.net/topic/67704-finite-or-infinite-universe/page__gopid__692108#entry692108 http://www.scienceforums.net/topic/67704-finite-or-infinite-universe/page__gopid__692108#entry692108

see... decayed into a "it just is" debate lol come on people. it has to be somewhere or it defys physics as they are understood

precisely my point Al

Im not a PHD or scientist but after many discussions i still have no way of overcoming the mind boggle that is put simply, is - Where is the universe ? In much the same way as this lad in the state of reflection staring up at the stars, everything and everyone is 'somewhere' and has a physical place of existence. Often the debate turns into a debate about infinity etc etc. This, i can understand but everything has to have a place of existence to actually exist and surely the infinity explanation just decays into a 'cop out' much the same as God is everywhere. what are the thoughts of other users? regards Nelson

what i wouldnt do is this let the world become even more decrepid as i think Dawin would be rolling in his grave !!!