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Rewrite the kinetic energy into 2mgh=mv^2. If you can see through this, consider yourself blessed.

Do you remember Eistein predict a very small gravity wave when particle collide that is pretty much useless? Well, gravity is a pulse force of particle collision. That means the vibration of matter on earth is what creates gravity. Gravity pulse 90 degree perpendicular to the mass velocity and it's an instantaneous puse. When you swing a mass in circle and let it go tangently. You release a gravity pulse when the centripetal force suddenly came to zero. I'm very unhappy with the world being today. Do you or do you not want to move on to the new age? Do you want pepetual machine to exist or not? No wonder you made him so angry.

I don't know what to say. I figure it out now. It's not that who's right and who's wrong. It's logic. Logic is not truth. Logic is creativity. I can keep 1/2mv^2 and still can make 2 parts of energy for 1 part and that still doesn't violate the first law of thermodynamics. I see what Godel's paradox talking about now. It's not the world that needs to be save... it's me that need saving.

DH Thank you for following the math closely. I know it takes you time and effort, but I hope you enjoy it. Actually you're right. It boils down to 3(KE)/(3/2)mv1^2 = ? If one say KE=1/2mv^2, then the ratio is one. If one say KE=mv^2, then the ratio is 2. I know KE=mv^2, but I have a hard time finding more clues to prove this so. I know for a fact this is not a question of logic anymore. It's either you believe or not believe. Through Lebniz(ke=mv^2), Eistein (E=mc^2), the earth, the moon, the solar system, cold fusion, electromagnetism, lift, and all science phenomena can be explain with ease, but the logic blockage is here and only here can one access all others. I know it's unfair to ask a person to make a decision weather it's 1/2mv^2 or mv2. I can only gives you similarity so you can self realize. Must this be the question this era must face....."to believe or not to believe". I know god is rolling dice on me. I had the proof yesterday and doesn't remember I assumed mv^2 is KE. My best clue is that if one treat kinetic energy as a force when it collide, then as proven earlier, the kinetic energy at r/2 is 4 times the initial kinetic energy. The intial force centrifugal force mv^2/r is 8 times of that when it's at r/2 . The ratio is 8/4 which is 2. Sigh... this is meant to be, why is he making this so hard. YT, yes, it's nothing new. The skater just doesn't know that the amount of work/energy he use to pull himself in putout twice the amount of work/energy as rotation. Or does he...

Thank you Cap'n.

I understand now.... I'm not the one who going to save this world... you guys are. I beg you... save this world. In circular motion, 1 unit of force/work/energy in the centrifugal direction will amplify by a factor of 2 in the tangent direction. This is the proof: A ball mass M tie to a string is in circular motion. The tension force on the string is m(v1^2/r) where v1 is the tangent velocity. Work is being done by the string to pull the mass inward. Say that the radius is now half the original radius. Applying conservation of angular momentum L=mvr, where L is the angular momentum. v2 is now twice the orginal v. The initial energy of the ball is 1/2mv1^2, the final energy of the ball is 1/2m(2v1)^2 which is 2mv1^2. So the energy in the final position is 4 times the energy of the initial position, which shows the different of 3 times the original energy. The work done by the string is tension force F multiply by the differential radius distance. Tension force F= mv^2/r . Work = mv^2/r (dr). V is a function of angular momentum, rewriting v=L/mr . Therefore mL^2/(mr)^2 (1/r)x dr is the work. The integration becomes (mL^2/(m^2*r^3) )dr from r to 1/2 r . Since L and m are constants, the integration only in volve 1/r^3 which equals to -1/2r^2 +C . The final form is -mL^2/2(m^2)r^2 + C from r to 1/2r . When r is at infinity, the tension would be zero, thent he work is zero, therefore constant C is zero. Solving by substitude the value r and 1/2 r gets -mL^2/2m^2((1/r)^2 - 4/r^2) = 3/2mL^2/(2m^2r^2). The reason I haven't cancel out the m because now one can see L^2/(2m^2r^2) is just v1^2 . Simplifly this to 3/2*mv1^2 . This is the work done by the string. Compare the ratio of work done by the string and the energy gain tangent direction 3mv1^2 / (3/2)*mv1^2 = 2 . Special notes: 3/2mv1^2 , the number 3/2 have nothing to do with kinetic energy. I only use momentum/force/distance to derive this. It just represent the amount of work done by tension. So the ratio is just an amount comparison and independant of what means by kinetic energy. To my believe, the kinetic energy equation should be E=mv^2 as originally state by Lebniz. This means that each unit of work/force/energy input by the tension will result in 2 units of work/force/energy in the tangent direction. The reason I write work/force/energy because I'm not sure what work/force/energy should be define anymore. Additional proof: If one remember Coriolis acceleration 2wv where w=angular velcocity= v/r. Then coriolis accelration is 2v^2/r. So anytime a force apply to move the mass inward at velocity v, the tangent force is 2v^2/r , which is twice the tension force v^2/r. Thrust is Ft, so for the same amount of thrust provide by the radial direction, twice the thrust achieve in the tangent direction. I believe Coriolis recognize this and has been forced by society to change kinetic energy to 1/2mv^2. It is an act of greed by us. Please... this is important for you, for me, for all of us. I'm just a guy who wants to live a happy life and I know what I have yesterday,today, and tomorrow isn't comes from me, it comes from all of you.

Um... This is not a theory, and with your negative attitudes, I'm not exactly sure how far can we get. I need atleast 5 people who have positive attitude before I post it.

Yo guys, Long time no see. I came back to see how all my people doing. Guess what? Prepare yourself with alot of mind. It's going to be on the basis of first come first serve once this is release. I've worked it all out "the correct current behavior of nature" . It's in mathematic proof, easily done experimentally, and only require integration calculus to actually work it yourself and verify. Well, for sneak peak, it will tear the first law of thermodynamic into half (literally) and connect all science phenomenas down to high school level. Probably can reduce quantum mechanic works into ... I don't know, a few thousand times? Well, I'm trying to figure out how to do this. I emailed my professor and ..1st of all, hopefully he doesn't call in a psycho analyzing team, which I think I gave him alot of respect and made good grade on his exams. 2nd, I don't even know if he can do much even after he agrees. If that fails or even not, I guess I have to use the people in here to help me. Hopefull I didn't make any enemy and everyone loves me. lol So what do you say guys? Help me, help you? Well, this process going to take a while and this is my favorite science forum (since other forums keeps kicking me out for some reason ) so you guys will be the leading team. But seriously, will you willing to help me ? I promise this prove is 100% legit and it will brings us to the age of truth. Are you with me?

Yep, it is the end of the world. It's the begining of a new era. Just like the world of animal transportion end by the world of machine. We will enter a new era, so suppra yourself up with alot of resolutions. I wanna go chill all days with my friends and play mind games while my robots doing the irrigation. We'll just party everyday and work like.... I don't know, 2 hours a day or whenever we feel like it. Probably building ships to travel outter space. Make new planets and make human being and put yourself as emperor. School start at your own paste. Sleep in all you want. That's... what will happens after 2012.

Let's all drop all pseudoscience and become a regular person with a regular job. Live, raise family, and die. The laws are good an acceptable, we just needs more engineers. There's really nothing to see, everything is predicted. There are quarkz in atoms, and there are solar system and galaxy. What else you want to know? you can't be as small as an atom or as large as the universe, so there isn't any business and application for you. Agree? Who's with me?

Sigh... I'll summary my 8 months of research. The rest is up to you whatever you want to decide. Energy = Force compression force is positive, tension force is negative A source consist of both positive and negative Such high energy occur in collisions and and collisions will never stop in molecular level. In symmetric object, positive force is 90 degree perpendicular to negative in collison. One can redirect the direction by disable symmetry. Energy is the ability to make movement

The story I've heard: Earth is an experimental ground. Current human race is the latest patch of the experiment. The time has come close weather or not to destroy this patch. The discussion amongs our maters has broke out into votes: 1/ The experimental must be filter and destroy now 2/ This is a crutial time to filter out more successive ones. The reason why this experiment be destroyed because when the human race realized who they are and what kind of power they have, they are much more powerful than their own master. Thus, without achieving the standard moral necessary to control this power, humans are a threat to this universe. The story of Adam and Eve illustrated this idea. Various suppression of the human realization through government and religion to ensure they do not reach their full potential without moral. The human is injected with the power of the Creator of this universe, the master of irrational manifestation. Once they realized they have the power to turn irrationality into reality, their power is almost unlimited. The time is close. Our master is loosing control over the suppression, yet there are quite a few of those who are struggling with moral. We've come a long way, pick up your paste.

I would like to ask to withdraw from this discussion. I am sincerely sorry for the inconvenience. Before I withdraw, I'd like to clarify things so we don't misunderstand. The notion of "energy conserve is true yet untrue". There are free energy yet it's not free. There are two types of energy, positive and negative. Together they are conserve, but current science have not taken negative energy into account. So one can say it conserve or not depends on if you recognize the full meaning. Zero point energy means you cleaverly redirect the positive energy so that negative energy suck in surrounding energy. In the end, the positive energy utilize go back to the surrounding. Anyway, I think it's a correct decision to suppress this knowledge. Peace.

Hi, I see what your arguments are. Basically, people said science is reality, rational and have nothing to do with belief or the conscious. Well, if you don't consider the possibility, then my argument is not for you. Ah.... coefficient of restitution. If the equation of the universe is a Taylor series, can you find the exact equation? Can you approximate the equation? We all know that as human being, we try to describe nature with accuracy. How we do that is pluck and chuck until the equation seems reasonable. In the black body radiation case, scientist pluck and chuck a numerous time just to get the best fit curve, then they start rationalize it. Even the most fundamental equation F=mg is uncertain because it accompany with a constant. Any constant derive from experiment proof that we do not have understand in that area. The law of nature is plain and simple for an average person. The fact remains still we do not understand what a force is, what energy is, what gravity is. Energy is all around us. Free energy is everywhere. If we establish the correct understanding of nature, even a kid can make an energy source. Gravity is an energy multiplier. Only your curious mind can take you where you want to be.

Hi guys, I'm glad that no one go crazy over my post. This shows a great improvement on our swiftness about matter. This is good news. Mr Gamma: No, I do not have links. This comes directly from what I've conclude. I'm glad that you're not against listening. Keep on questioning and the answer automatically come. Tricky: Yes, it's a belief system. Our whole reality is a belief system. People do not know the real power of concious. Religious leaders know this and knows this well. Beliefs are the machine that driven man. I'll explain more if you are interest. One example is this topic. You can see by history that the foundation of this theory is not ridgid, yet modern science is so persistant with its existance and ready to fight to the death to protect their belief. You can even apply this in real life. If you know someone desire, you can manipulate them through their desires. Klaynos: Suppose 2 object with same mass A and B. A goes 5 units of speed, B at rest. After colliding A goes 3 unit speed and B goes 2 units of speed. Momentum is conserve, energy is not for this case.

Hello all, Wow, it's more than half a year since the last time I'm here. After a series of debates about energy theories, I seclude myself and determine to find out what was going on. I've found the answer, but that's not what I'm here for. I'm here to touch your belief system, vibrate it alittle bit and hopefully something will crack. I just want to introduce the brief history of what happened back then. It was the time of Leibniz and Newton/Descartes and their view of Force. Newton/Descartes were the creator of the formula "mv" where m=mass, v=velocity. It is now known as momentum. Leibniz was the creator of the formula "mv^2", which later modify by Coriolis to "1/2 m v^2" now know as kinetic energy. Leibniz and Newton fought among themselves over who's correct. In some cases momentum conservation holds and other cases kinetic energy holds. The dispute was never resolved. Strangely, science adopt both of these controversal quantities as "law" and remain unchallenged till this day. I challenge you to read into the founding fathers stories of energy and reevaluate our foundation. If the forumula is case restricted, they cannot be law, not even saying they are laws in parallel. If you want to revolutionize our current state, you must first give yourself a chance. "Energy can be created... and destroyed!" Absolute1

Dear friends, I come to you with great respect and the respect for our science legacy where countless work made up what we are today. I would like to propose to you a new view of gravity. A view that perhalf can bring us together. When one convert potential energy to kinetic energy, he or she use the formula mgh=1/2 m v^2 . Strickly speaking, mgh = Fd = Fh , where F=ma . If we do not use this method but rather use integration, one would write Work is mgh = [math]\int Fdh[/math] . One will find the same answer mgh because the integral of dh is h, and the force is constant. Now one will do the actual experimentation to verify this fact. He or she will find that the force is not constant through out the process for the same dh. This lead to a conclusion. The Work is not constant through out the process. It is greater than mgh. If the work is not constant, then there is only 1 solution. The mass is not constant through out the process. Kinetic energy is a true representation of the work, we then write 1/2 m v^2 = [math]\int Fdh[/math] = m(average)*a*h . m(average) = (1/2 m v^2)/(a*h) . We now can say that mass is a funciton of velocity and it grows exponentially with velocity. absolute1

You're all ways off from the orignal, and way way off from what He told me. Planets are form from neutron stars. It split itself into the sun and the planet forming the simplest hydrogen solar system. These system could interact with other larger systems forming a bigger larger system. All planets repel each other, only attract to the sun.

Momentum is not Energy. They're totally two different quantity. Momentum is conserve, so does energy. There are one problem that we have overlook all these time... What are the form of energy? Work, heat, electricity. Heat... however is not a form of energy, or I may say, not the correct description of its form. Work and electricity are almost 100% efficiency transformation back and forth... heat is not complete because it generate entropy. In this sense, modern science isn't wrong all these time. A perpetual machine cannot ever be made. However... it is possible. We have overlook another form of energy. It's a brother of heat.... a forgotten one that everyone ignore. Like Electric has a brother, magnetism. Gravity has a brother, work. Heat.... has a brother. He is resonance, the other twins of entropy. Reversibility exist and it's very true. The water becomes clouds and fall back down randomly. It later found all of their kind in a single lump. This... is the work of resonance. The harmonic nature, which create orders from chaos.... It all make sense now. Thank you... God... for bringing me to peace.

Actually, my equation doesn't hold for all cases. There's something weird going on. It looks like V/m = k where v=velocity, m = mass, k= a constant. It describe when v=0, m= infinity, when m infinity, v=0 . Our rest mass is not zero though our v is zero. What's going on here. Unless.... our absolute v is not zero. Wow, I know we revolving around the sun and the earth rotating counter it, so all the side way velocity cancel up, it makes sense cuz we don't have sideway mass.... This can only mean the Solar system is moving toward something.... but we know it's revolving around the center of the galaxy....So either it's speeding inward to the center of the galaxy.... or the galaxy moving toward another bigger galaxy and that galaxy could either moving toward something or revolving around another bigger galaxy....wow

Ok, I got one. Drop an object from a scale. Can you tell what's the maximum reading the scale get? There's no way to calculated it right? If you use this concept you can. The scale reading will be E=mv^2. So you can solve it for m knowing the speed and the rest mass. Then F=ma. F is the scale reading.

Garrrrr Abandon it. It won't work. They are at the same speed. The scale won't pick it up. I guess that's why it can only be proven in particle accelerator. Garrrrr..... let me think about what experiment work on this.

Klaynos.... Go ahead and do this experiment to see for yourself. Put a scale on something that has wheel to move across the floor. Put an object on the scale. Start move it across. Wait, don't do that experiment. If mass gain is what I think having the direction of velocity, then it won't work. You have to tie it to a scale and dropt it. So that the mass is in the same diection as acceleration to see effect. The scale should gain weight too, but I don't see any interfearance on reading.

I think the Spirit came back to me. I think they wanted to teach me a lesson for hurting other people. I almost cry last night out of despair because I couldn't go on without their guildance. They have showed me a new thing just now. I will bring this up for you guys to think about. I will try to keep my excitement down because the more I am excited, the more people I'm going to hurt. Please try to remind me about this if I go overboard. Recall an object with mass M hitting the other object half of their mass at rest. perfect transfer of momentum happened. The starting energy of the system is 1/2 M v^2, the final energy sytem is 1/2 * 1/2M (2v)^2 which is Mv^2, or twice the amount of the initial energy. Put the energy back to the big mass and have the new view of the system. Mv^2 on the big mass. We can conclude that the mass increase as the velocity incrase. The total mass and energy of the system will be. E=mv^2.... ... like Einstein have predicted... Mass... is the form of energy we have been rejecting all these time to fill in the missing link of momentum energy concept.

Hi, Insane alien: see answer to DrP Drp: You missed counted on your finger. I saw atleast 1. What kind of ink is that? It's not from this earth. It's made out of what astronomers call..... dark matter. DrP, if you think about it hard and long enough, you're not just back to the drawing board, you could be back to the drawing board with a new idea.