sunshaker

Nice read, which I mostly agree with, I will never have the math/equations, my brain see these energies in pictures, from ev mev gev, all flowing within each other, I try to show this the only way I know how, which is with diagrams, the same with these "extended periodic tables", which I do not see as "elements" but the energy of those "elements, and each Proton is a fractal of these tables. Not quite sure what you are saying here, I have elements up to z172/z173, but this is just one level of many. This "swirly effect", is how I try to show what happens when these opposing tables/quarks meet, positive/negative, dipole torque, Each "element" as an opposing "anti element", the "tables" overlap at each new group "alkali metals", so every positive/anti alkali metal overlaps, this is where the "swirly effect"/expansions begin, and expand out through the tables, I see anti matter and normal matter then separated by some kind of Casimir effect/Penning trap(, This stops matter/anti matter annihilating each other. The first opposing element in table are z1(hydrogen) to -z172, this to me, is the outer shell/field of a Proton, where we find the energies up to 173GeV(standard model). simplified diagram z1 to -z172 here is my early attempt at showing the formation of Proton and Neutrons within this fractal element field. Neutron 1up/2down quarks, proton 2up/1down quark. I see the Proton as a fractal of ALL ELEMENTS+ANTI ELEMENTS.

Here is a interesting debate at the world science festival, on Dark matter/dark energy. DATE: Thursday, June 2, 2016 TIME: 8:00 PM-9:30 PM VENUE: Gerald W. Lynch Theater at John Jay College MODERATOR: John Hockenberry PARTICIPANTS: Katherine Freese, Justin Khoury, Stacy McGaugh, Neal Weiner A small intro before debate. http://www.worldsciencefestival.com/programs/shaking-dark-universe-dark-horses-dark-matter/

Here I am showing just a small part of these opposing fields, there are equal numbers of Protons on the left as there are anti on the right. Below multiple joined tables, these multiple tables are how I see the so called "Higgs field". which is perfectly balanced. reference? The "anti particles" we are aware of, create/collect, would be their "anti particles" the "mirror universe" would be aware of create/collect. Which I think may be from elements above z92. Lets not get into invoking "imaginary fields"(dark matter/dark energy) that are used to make the math fit. I am not imagining fields any more than anyone who quotes dark matter or dark energy. I see a process that creates fields, which I am trying to understand. This is just a small part of a larger process, at this moment in "our universes" expansion, there are only 92 naturally occurring elements which is 16% compared to 84%.

Just because science of today cannot say where all the antimatter is, It does not mean the antimatter is gone, only hidden from us at this present time, Most have no idea what dark matter is, Dark matter could quite easily be Antimatter separated from normal matter by some kind of field, as within my above tables.

If all Protons have antiprotons, Then this cup I hold in my hand, Must have an anti cup, made of anti particles? (a mirror universe). If all Protons have an anti proton and all electrons have a positron, could this create a homogenous field, where Particles and Antiparticles are joined but separated by some kind of natural Penning trap or Casimir effect/dimension? All matter on left side, All antimatter on right side, the "92 naturally occurring elements" on left side, has 4232 protons, then if I add up the rest of the Antiprotons(those not involved within the 92 natural elements I get 25444 antiprotons, this is a ratio of 16% matter to 84% dark/antimatter,

I am looking into dipole moments, This may take awhile, I would be greatfull if you or anyone else may be able to point me in the right direction/method to work out a dipole moment within my proton/element opposing tables? The torque that is caused interests me, as it could be a cause of how these opposing +/-elements twist and merge Where would I start to work out a dipole moment?, my tables run from z1 to z172 also -z172 to -z1, so if I was to take +z8(oxygen) opposed by -z165, distance "perhaps" 1 FEMTOMETER. could I work out a dipole moment from above?

I agree, thank you +1. How real is this "real value", could your calculation be the real value, or maybe even my 930.64 mev be the "real value"? I guess the "real value" is the excepted value, I still do not completely understand the first part of your process, and how accurate this part is, and this first part is the foundation of your calculation. but it is something else for me to explore.

I believe we are capable of these feats, but with this video I notice the "bright lamp" which must be giving of a lot of heat that rises, so when you cup your hands around your psi wheel you are perhaps creating a funnel where the cold air is being drawn up through your hands turning psi wheel?

A couple of questions on the Proton, First I wonder if anyone can explain "simply" how we get the mass 938.272mev? I have noticed their are different measurements for the proton using electrons or muons which give a different measurement of proton. I ask this because I have got a measurement of 930.64mev, within my pet model, which is 0.82% different. within my model I have a proton with a diameter of 1.73 femtometers, radius 0.865fm. but I do not have a perfect sphere(slight oval) 173fm horizontal diameter, 172 vertical diameter, if I want the diameter of as sphere I times the diameter(173) by pi 3.141 =543.393 but if I use the horizontal diameter 172 x 3.141=540.252, difference of 3.141pi, but want is the circumference of this 172/173 oval? volume? PS I know we do not say the circumference for a proton, (wave/particle).

There are many interesting theories on "dark atoms", Elements above z92 are very unstable, and tend not to exist naturally(in normal space), But it does not rule out that they may exist within dark matter, being a constitution of dark matter. Something I am yet unsure off in this "present" time, Perhaps in a few years with higher proton proton collisions, and more sensitive detectors, and better computers to analyze all the data, I may then be able to test my idea in a falsifiable way Has I believe our universe exists within the proton, it would also mean what we believe has dark matter, will also exist within the proton.

The decay of top-quark to light quarks and Higgs boson is an extremely rare process in the Standard Model (SM) framework. http://arxiv.org/abs/1512.08661 Every "KNOWN"? The potential for heavy elements was always here, Heavier elements come into being/created as this universe expands, allowing higher elements to form. I have not said that atoms do not exist in bound states of protons and neutrons, I believe a "Proton" has different energy shell/layers, the first shell/layer is where you have most of the standard particles/energies up to 173 Gev, Now with cern turning up the energy proton proton collisions we enter the next shell layer which will realise heavier particle up to 750 Gev, as in the newish 750 gev bump. Our universe exists within the Proton, The core of a proton is a Janus point. To look out to the universe, you only need to look into the proton.

Thanks for your reply which I agree mostly with, But I think you may be miss understanding me, I do not see these tables has "elements", To me, these opposing "element tables" represent A Proton/top quarks/anti top quark(universe), and all the particles/quarks within, existing in an "unbound state", they stay unbound until a measurement is taken, ie has in proton proton collisions at Cern. These "higher elements" exist has a potential, within the proton, in an unbound state, higher energy collisions will reveal higher energy particles/quarks/bosons.I expect something next around 1087 GeV. I know this "alternative top quark/proton model" still needs much work.

Not in this thread, which started out asking for clarification on 1612.903, but then I felt I had to defend my 172 elements, some of my ideas on this are here http://alpha-omega-sunshaker.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/top-quark-condensate.html I have only just gotten into the Casimir effect and its relations to zero point energy/vacuum energy. I was thinking that maybe there was a Casimir effect between matter and dark matter, but I have only just started thinking on this. I am looking at science from my point of understanding, I know what "SCIENTISTS" do, I am not a "scientist", I am someone interested in science, and see something within the extended periodic table.

You say no science here? But with these tables, I can show a possible cause for the 16% matter to the 84% dark matter. I can show Top quark mass 173 gev, W boson, Z boson, the Higgs, also the new 750 gev bump, Also what I believe may be the next particle at higher energy runs: 1087 gev. And perhaps a cause for gravity (Casimir effect). This all within the extended element table, it is far from perfect "yet", but most models are in the beginning, Most models have many great minds working on them, and evolve through collaboration, Unlike myself and many others who work alone, with only a few comments from forum members, We do not do this to change the world, we do it because we love science as much as any "Scientist", So our models do lack the rigour/math of "professional models". I believe there may be a Janus point within the proton, which could bring together QM & Relativity. http://qz.com/596514/its-possible-that-there-is-a-mirror-universe-where-time-moves-backwards-say-scientists/

I am not really sure, something I will have to think more upon. I do know my idea only works "IF" the periodic table does extend to z172. This is the frame I have built "my model" on.

I have had a quick look through the paper, I do not understand all of the math, but still get a good idea of the concepts, which even though you may not see, it relates to what I am trying to show, I am never going to be able to show my model with the math most want to see, I am just someone who got interested in science latter in life, I try and show my ideas/thoughts with the "tools" I have available, maybe not up to the standards of their model from Harvard university. but I'm trying. A lot of my time as been trying to fit this model into a "Proton" (proton universe).

While the article may be a little vague, I found this interesting: I was doing something similar with my "model", My two opposing periodic tables represent the universe/proton(all matter/dark matter) that then forms similar discs of matter and dark matter, Take this first table it shows the 92 natural occurring element, with the red/dark matter bound within normal matter. I am seeing this as a kind of Casimir effect between matter/dark matter This table/gif below shows some of the cycles/expansions I am "trying" to convey, Universes, galaxies, solar systems, Each expansion contains varying degrees of matter/dark matter. We exist in a goldilocks zone, where matter/dark matter allows for stable physics and for life to evolve.

I did find this about "new kind of dark matter could form dark atoms/protons", http://www.space.com/21508-dark-matter-atoms-disks.html For some reason my quote as gone to the dark side

Of all the elements in the periodic table, only the first 92 are "naturally found", while the others are "synthetically made". The 92 natural elements are the ingredients used to make everything we find on Earth. http://www.windows2universe.org/earth/geology/periodic_table.html&edu=high These 92 elements are the physical matter we are aware off, The higher elements z93 to z172 exist as a potential, which for fleeting moments, some have been made/created "synthetically", The opposing elements in the mirror table: In particle physics, a Superpartner (also sparticle) is a hypothetical elementary particle. Supersymmetry is one of the synergistic theories in current high-energy physics that predicts the existence of these "shadow" particles. Which are candidates for dark matter. In physics, mirror matter, also called shadow matter or Alice matter, is a hypothetical counterpart to ordinary matter. Mirror particles interact amongst themselves in the same way as ordinary particles, except where ordinary particles have left-handed interactions, mirror particles have right-handed interactions. In this way, it turns out that mirror reflection symmetry can exist as an exact symmetry of nature, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_matter

I came to z172 after following electron sequences, and noticed z172 seemed to complete the table, then allowing me to fit two together like a jigsaw. But after searching I found others who also predict 172 elements. Eric scerri advocates z172: http://ericscerri.com/ Pekka Pyykkö, for example, used computer modeling to calculate the positions of elements up to Z=172, my mirror periodic table z1 to z172 What I found interesting within my tables, If I add up all the protons in the naturally occurring 92 elements, shown in left corner coloured to each chemical group, came to 4232, Then if i add up anti protons/positrons shown in red I get 25444, This gives me a ratio of 16% matter to 84% dark matter/supersymmetric particles. dark matter is estimated to constitute 84.5% of the total matter in the Universe, http://en.wikipedia....iki/Dark_matter

it does matter, my periods of time cannot be changed, a meter is a meter, but from what i can gather "a mile", has "sensi" says was standardised by "international agreement", Which could once again be changed by agreement. To me, humans are on a journey, new insights open up all the time(but they are always there waiting to be found), and we make the changes to fit new information/measurements.

I know most will see this as numerology, But that's ok, I believe there are a possible 172 elements to the periodic table(all possible matter/dark matter/universe), I can use these "elements to measure time, through the years", First day =z1 hydrogen To travel through the first cycles takes 3100 years to the day: 31/12/3099=z172 (3100yrs) The next cycle is 5 million years to the day: 31 /12 /4,99,99,99 =z344 = 2 x z172 = (5 million yrs) As I previously said 3100 yrs goes into 5 million 1612.903 times, Meters in a mile has caught my interest, we have defined the mile as 1609.344 meters, but perhaps a mile could just as easy be defined as 1612.903 meters. We as humans have defined the length of a mile, could we be unconsciously copying a property of the universe, Time=distance? 1 meter=3100 years.=z172 (first cycle) 1 mile=5 million years= 2 x z172 = z344. (second cycle) There are cycles within cycles, 3100 year, 5 million years distance within distances= cm/meters/miles time in time, hours,days, months, years. Time and distance, A different perspective of the same entity, Separated for human understanding in our 3d/4d world..

Thanks for your reply Strange, Inaccuracies matter to me. It was just that these figures matched to at least 4 decimal places that they caught my attention. And they where related to time/elements.

A while back I was trying to use the "elements/periodic table" to measure time, but it got closed , http://www.scienceforums.net/topic/82760-the-electron-years-what-element-are-you/ To cut to the chase, to go through a complete table was 3100 years, so I had cycles of 3100yrs within cycles, but to go through the next cycle took 5 million years(ever expanding cycles). I then wanted to see how many of these 3100yr cycles fitted within the 5,000,000yr cycle, This gave me 1612.9032, which I googled, These two caught my attention: This first one is an Acceleration Conversion Table, but am not quite sure what it is saying about this figure 1612.9032? http://www.calcul.com/show/calculator/acceleration-conversion This second one ls atomic weights(old), it lists stibium(Antimony)=pondera atomica=1612.903 but antimony as a atomic weight of 127.7. ? https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=6745AAAAcAAJ&pg=PA8&lpg=PA8&dq=1612.903&source=bl&ots=U4OIjfV4H9&sig=mrGKMiJ1ydkOUqu_3GxkN0_TMS4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj4lZ6Ks5jMAhXGuhoKHduXBA0Q6AEIPjAI#v=onepage&q=1612.903&f=false I wondered if anyone could give this figure 1612.903 a bit more clarification within these two examples for me? Cheers sunshaker. Acceleration Conversion Calculator.html

There does seem to be a growing interest in the EM DRIVE. Eagleworks engineer Paul March wrote on the Nasa Spaceflight forum on 17 March. EDIT EDIT Once again, This forum is being moderated by biased moderators, who only see what they want to see, Mike cosmos brought up about the EMDRIVE in his own thread, which I found interesting and followed his line of topic, ajb and swansont both put the idea down without any real understanding of what was being expressed, I posted this link to ongoing work on the EMDRIVE and get thrown straight into trash. I Believe it is about time some of these moderators should step down and make way for those with NEW FRESH THOUGHTS, the power as gone to their heads, And they have closed many interesting threads just because "THEY" do not agree with them. IT IS WHY GOVERNMENTS ONLY STAY IN POWER FOR 4 YEARS, MODERATORS SHOULD BE VOTED FOR.