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Brevity, brevity, brevity, wherefore art thou brevity. Cut to the chase dude. The ethical principles of Judaism were expressed in ten rules. Christ made inroads on that. Is it arrogance, insanity or stupidity makes you think your message requires so much more?

I think you will find that they is you. And there are huge amounts of helium3 available on Jupiter and Saturn.

Would you be good enough to summarise the "human knowledge of space bending" for the non cogniscenti.

Sigh whose profundity passeth all understanding. No, I didn't misunderstand: that is what I thought you meant. The sudden change would likely generate some effect. But I utterly fail to see how it will change the orbit and the axial tilt in the way your scenario required. At most it will trigger earthquakes that were on the point of happening anyway. On a human scale those just might constitute a 'serious upheaval', but on a planetary scale they would fit in the normal range of seismic activity. Note that in the long term the range of axial tilt of the Earth would actually increase. At present this is a couple of degrees. Without the moon's stabilising influence axial tilt could vary from close to zero up to forty five degrees over millions of years.

True. I was being too general. Since ethology holds more interest for me than most aspects of biology I am surprised I trapped myself. (One could make similar objections to my other points.) However, with minor rephrasing, I think my underlying contention remains true: modern science makes extensive use of microscopes and telescopes (and other advanced instruments), and in some fields these are not simply useful, but essential. Some modern science historians have downplayed Bacon's importance, but I think this link gives a balanced view.http://courses.nus.edu.sg/course/phibalas/dialogue2001/Scientific%20Method/Bacon/BaconInductiveMethod.htm Ah, yes: one of my lecturers considered any sediments younger than Cambrian to be 'superficial drift deposits'!

And in around 1.5 billion years the slowly increasing solar temperature moves the Goldiocks zone beyond the Earth's atmosphere. So the red giant phase is truly academic for any Earth life: it is long defunct (or has emigrated).

I would challenge this statement. Just consider a few fields of study:Cosmology - requires telescopes across the whole EM spectrum. Astronomy - as above Planetology - as above, plus unmanned probes, plus microscopes for examining meteorites Biology - requires optical and electron microscopy Archaeology - increasingly employing techniques like NMR to investigate artifacts Physics - you wouldn't get very far without the various high energy colliders. (Microscopes, no, except in an analagous sense, but I believe they meet your thesis that we can 'observe' without 'modern' instruments.

Politicians have much the same range of altruistic and selfish motives as the rest of us. You must decide for yourself if this makes them crooks or saints.

Thanks jdurg. I agree (as noted in a post above) that my ironic intent should have been better signaled and then all this side debate would have been avoided. I have yet to find a game that adequately captures my imagination I live in hope (well there was space invaders!)

I went triacontane, because it looked lonely with no votes. But really, how wonderful: where else could we actually find people voting, not on their favourite, chemical, not their favourite carbon compound, but their favourite straight chain alkane. Truly wonderful! Can we do porphyrins next month?

I'll take the voting preferences of the proletariat, who may be fairly thick, over those of the faceless beaurocrats, who are thick, any day.

Guys, try getting a grip of reality here. I am not condeming the game. I am not claiming some strange conspiracy. Frankly, I don't give a rats ass about the game. If, I did; if I was trying to create an equivalent game, yes, I would go down the same root that has been followed. That in no way invalidates the simple suite of observations, I have made, and which I stand by: some of those who favour the concept of Intelligent Design will use (misuse, would be better) the methodology of this game; some uninformed persons, teetering on the edge of becoming creationists will misinterpret the methodology of the game. Now, are any of you saying that these two statements are false? Because that is all I am saying. I am very definitely not saying that because of this the game should be censored, re-written, abandoned, or whatever. I am just saying, as sure as night follows days, some people will abuse and misinterpret the game. This point seemed so blatantly obvious I almost didn't bother making it. (I rather wish I hadn't!) Since it did appear, to me, to be so obvious, I phrased my opening remark as an ironic observation. When Mokele failed to see this I identified it as irony in my second post. (Which is why, husmusen, the phrase 'anti-evolution propaganda' doesn't count as me claiming a conspiracy, since I intended it as irony and identified it as such as soon as it was clear I had not communicated effectively.) And to repeat, Mokele, I am not pointing the finger of blame at the games company, nor did I intend, nor do I think there is anything in my posts that suggests I am pointing the finger of blame. Now, if we can just agree that I have failed singularily to communicate my thoughts on this matter to you all in a clear fashion, can we then move on?

For those of you too lazy to google, a Majorana particle (note it is spelt with a single 'n') is its own anti-particle.

The constitution requires every country in the EU to ratify it, therefore it only takes a single 'no' vote, and it is dead. Two 'no' votes, just makes it deader. The European people are finally waking up to the fact that they were being manouvered into cementing in place a political structure where the key decisions are made by unelected officials in Brussels. Enough already! A single market - yes; a single political entity - no.

Is that the one that flowers rarely, lives a very long time, and one of which can be found at Kew Gardens?

1. It's probably coincidence, but... 2. Could you let us know roughly where you live so we can avoid the area.

He was re-born as Chatha, because 'Christ Slave' was deemed provocative to some (it implied an agenda). It was in this second incarnation he got banned. I think I have that right..

In the 1950's the American's designed one to go into a plane. You might try googling for that. [Kilbarchan is not a million miles from Glengarnock, is it?]

Life: yes, almost certainly. Intelligent life: just maybe, but extremely rare. It took over 3 billion years for life to graduate to complex metazoans. It took another 600 million years for intelligence to emerge. Said intelligence then set about causing the biggest mass extinction since KT boundary event. So, it seems to take a damnably long time (and a bunch of chance events) to produce intelligence, which then promptly sets about destroying itself.

Coral, to hear of these instances third hand is depressng enough. Someone immersed in the scenarios you describe is 'entitled' to a nervous breakdown. Depressng as they are thank you for sharing them with us. Edited for spelling

Expand please.

This may not be relevant, but in Hoyle's steady state theory matter is created 'out of nothing' as the Universe expands. While steady state has been dead in the water since the cosmic background radiation was identified, it might pay you to google up some details on how the matter creation was meant to work. Sorry, I don't have any specific links on it.

You are identified as a Chemistry Expert. Chemistry is a noble science, and, in my experience, chemists are required to make as much use of logic as other scientists.So, with that in mind, would you care to tell me where in my posts, I suggest that there is any conspiracy. I'll save you the bother. I don't. Since joining this forum in October last year I have seen countless posts by creationists using the flimsiest shreds of 'fact' to support their views. And yes, there are people out there, having played 'The Sims' do think they understand the human race. And there will be people who play this game and think they understand evolution. I know it's only a video game! You know it's a video game. We aren't everyone. Now before you rant at one of my posts again and accuse me of seeing conspiracies try reading the bleeding thing and see what I say, not what your fantasies and predjudices want to see.

Not in any way at all. I was just feeling devilish..