Keith*

The data does not differentiate significantly enough to make sound the conclusions of the article. Eunuchs have good life of leisure, low stress, low monetary procurement desires. Long life could just as well be based on these traits.** **male longevity

From JPL: They are cautiously optimistic and will avoid a false-alarm statement. The finding is not expected as something predicted to be found on Mars. --This statement would seem to eliminate the finding to be of a life-form subject. --This statement would not eliminate the possibility of the finding to be of a rare mineral, gem, isotope, ore, or meteor sample that would confirm some great truth about solar system dynamics.

It would imply that space and gravity are related, but I believe modern Physics already has that established. The temperature differences between the reds and the blues in the original photo are very minor. I did not include temperature variances in my thoughts. I don't know. Spacetime has three dimensions of space and one dimension of time. If it is an energized spacetime fabric remnant, then it would be expanding as expected?

1) Best chance it was incoming light from an exterior source. Turn off the lights again, and get your eye or white paper down on the location. 2) Old smear of phosphorescent paint. Wipe on a section with an eraser and again shut off the lights, to check.

Proposal: The Universe we live in was initiated as a pinpoint location of the brief meeting/collision of two or more distinct objects--one being of a Planck-oriented space-time region, similar as our own (illustrated in the photo below) , and one of an unknown particle composition (perhaps dark matter-composed) structure(s). We see in the pictures below an impression of what is clearly a debris remnant of a lattice field, most likely of space-time dynamical origin, an immensely expanded, yet preserved impression in the first light of the CMB. This space-time shard is encircled by a larger ring (see pic#4 of 4). If Planck length can be used to determine the size of these objects at a time before their collision (If Planck is a constant outside of our Universe) then some measurement estimates could be extrapolated). By compressing the WMAP 7 year photo (process explained below), one can clearly make out the impression of what is nothing short of a cosmological "smoking gun" of the earliest evidence of universe dynamics revealed. The CMB holds a great deal of data, some that can be easily coaxed by the amateur enthusiast-- PIC#1 (Photo courtesy NASA/JPL/WMAP): By turning this photo onto its right-hand side, I then resized (compressed) its original image width, leaving the basic detail information undisturbed, and giving it a "landscape" appearance, by which to accentuate the larger details of the landscape, these details still recognizable from the original. A certain perception of structure not easily seen in the original, becomes more pronounced in this simple process--PIC#2 Lastly, to remove the color (temperature variations) to leave a black and white image-- PIC#3 The last photo I have added lines to denote some of the perceived lattice structure, and ring area seemingly bordering this structure remnant --Note too, the higher temperature "lines" running between the uniform "holes" in the structure-- (I assume higher temp, because they are red in the original photo)-- PIC#4 Conclusion: There should be other ways in which to interpret this data, but this seems conclusive of some structure composing the entirety of the CMB data, and therefore hints at its significance in it's initial moments. It would be impressive such a structured data-set could expand intact, throughout the tumultuous history of the early universe. The energy released would have to be very great on this piece of space-time lattice for its image to remain for us to examine. --K.H.

Your assumption is understandable, and your conclusions reasonable. There is one other source of data not widely known or discussed, and it is first hand reports of people who's births were delayed (chemically), so as to return the fetus to the womb, until they could be delivered at a distant hospital, and not born in transit, or in a car. I have been told by medical personnel, that this situation happens a lot, but I have no experience(s), other than my own, to report here to you. Since that would be but one instance, and not a sound compilation of data from many sources, I will refrain from details of my remembered (memory) experience in this matter (Unless, of course, someone has further questions).

I would clarify, but other variables were added to the conversation, and lost my train of thought on the issue. There is room for calm allowance of variable pathways caused by men who are irresponsible. There is much data to assume there is no rehabilitation for some alternate behaviors, and one shouldn't not be led to feel outside the mainstream, nor the state be able to maintain such an ideal state for child-raising purposes. I will go reread the start of this conversation, and reply further if interest is warranted. Updated: After reflection of my earlier entries of this thread... adding the valuable additional variables given by "Phi for All", I conclude the state will fail at some point. The original drive of my logic could be used to reset or reclaim stability in the state system, if such an act was desirable. At this juncture, it is not.

By concentrate on her child, I assume too she has an equally supportive husband. This is an ideal environment the state should be promoting-- since the time the wife and husband were children--birth to grave. Those who have issues (that the state has failed to maintain training from birth to grave) must be rehabilitated. This is a complex form of retraining, which is different in nature for: --irresponsible parents --irresponsible children --pregnant women who don't want to carry to term --irresponsible parents who wont pay child support for a son who is irresponsible. The above issues (I did not list them all) should not be a concern, distraction, to those birthed couples who are concentrating and responsible. Rehab and training are two different worlds. It is easier for the state to train everybody from childhood correctly, from the beginning, as the system is self-regulating.

Yes, behind every irresponsible boy, is found irresponsibly trained adults. The state has the prime responsibility in all aspects of training young men to be responsible. A responsibly trained child is a responsibly prepared adult. They are one in the same.

I believe a woman has the right and responsibility to be allowed to concentrate on raising her children to adulthood. This is a need of the state, to have healthy raised adults, as: The state cannot end death, so it needs healthy replacement adults to continue the state in the best condition it can function. Healthy as defined as physically and mentally sound, within a reasonable loose standard, to allow for freedom of expression, with minimal costs in criminal and physiological trauma to the state as a whole. The state must recognize the breakdown in state needs above, when it fails to mandate training of K-5 grade children in requirements of the state, pitfalls of unplanned sexual behavior, birth-planning and preparation. A state that cannot hold it's citizen's hand, from birth to grave, is a failed state, and must be remodeled to assume that status explained above. I'm sorry I had to talk funny there. I was trying to get it right in my own head. To get to the root. I believe I did.

They will get caught someday, when all these pieces are gathered up for installation in Moon and Earth Museums (Like treasured Mummy displays and Orville and Wilbur's Airplane). The moon is not for any one flag or sovereignty. That would be the main aspiration to plant a flag first. To take possession--that does not seem the case here.

Since I'm new here, and need to build up my numbers, I will venture a comment here, where I would not normally. Beg my indulgence. Any American who steps out of American territorial boundaries without friendly local entourage (or an intimidating number of security, in this case), is asking for trouble, or at least should be prepared for it. The Diplomatic Corps has it's own security structure.

Hello. Looks like a great place. I'm Keith from Oregon. I manage and like Science and Science Fiction, Political, Social Conversation. I can usually supply some of these subjects locally, but one needs the scope of a national or international level site to get the full picture of things. Thank you ScienceForums. I'll go mingle now.