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Yes saya but wether the individual chooses to act on his sexuality or not does not contradict the fact the person is still gay.Thats why we find people do not come-out for years after.Its not the homophobics they fear but the embarrassment of being gay which they cannot control despite living in denial and having a hetrosexual lifestyle.The individual would not cause harm to themselves, or destroy the break up of their family on something they choose to be.Its genetic and hereditory. I know that some have cited environmental issues 'abuse or rape' as contributary causes for homo's,but all that would happen is the individual may become an abuser,it doesnt mean they are actually gay,so this is an invalid example

The history of our species throughout the ages has answered that!! we need currency to perpetuate in a civilised world.Its not some new concept,people bartering with a pig didnt work.And as agriculture launched us forward from cavemen to developed communities and cities currency was and is a neccessity.You wouldnt go to work all week for nothing would you, or for two goats and a sheeps testicle. just by holding a few dollars or pounds in your hand (metal and paper)you can buy food,houses whatever,when all your really holding is a promise that with this paper you can buy stuff and if i give it to you so can you.

hahaha i got it chilli a chilli is hot take away the i you left with chill how brilliant am i at this...wooopeee

your kidding right...how many conversations you had recently with mice.Dr doolittle is only fiction you know

By the way unfortunately im a doubting thomas on this one.Ive read the articles on it but dont see any pictures,and whats more important common sense tells me even though the cells have reconnected to each other.they havent recreated all the functions of a complete brain with its different sensors,memory etc.It has no eyes so how the **** can it view the computer screen or make sense of the binary code.Even believing the fantastic how would this petrie dish brain know the point or purpose of controlling the plane left/right.it has no consciousness to think,no concept of space/time/sky/depth/height/wind/rain/colour/what a plane is/ seems to me like someones butt****ing us all. come to think of it why bother with a few cells,hook the whole mouse up to electrodes(it must be more of an advantage-memory-eyes etc) sit it in from of the playstation and watch it kickass at Tekken....me thinks the outcome would be mouse trys to chew through wires,stares at screen twitching its whiskers wondering what the flips that.or are they suggesting take only a few mouse brain cells and hey presto mini Hawking.The only thing i can see they would share is they both cant walk off.

what you mean like americans ophi

yes thats just what madscientist post was pointing to,wether or not he intended that i dont know,I was merely saying at a particle level its just parts, like a table inanimate dead,If we accept were just the sum of subatomic particles then they must consciously interact and perform the creation of complex objects including life.Which must direct us to thinking the universe is conscious. I must leave that acid and cannabis alone LMAO

Yes bullet number two is my answer.I do not want to get involved in the second part as instead of debating we will only go in circles and start arguing again,which as already proven were both as stubborn as each other. I already stated that the Dna data alone is insufficient as conclusive proof when we have only just mapped our own genome sequence. As for a common link between man/chimp or any other animal the unequivacal answer is yes were all related.We formed as life on this planet as carbon lifeforms so our DNA will share similarities.Were made up of the same ingredients just as when we build a house,with a million bricks and cement(the bricks are made of the same materials but you wouldnt say they were decendants of each other. I could if asked give evidence to an even closer link between man/chimp, pointing to a closer divergence.Just to show the contradiction of the present science understanding.But getting back on topic a human chimp hybrid which we could make happen tommorrow would give credence to about several authors including Von Daniken that an alien race did what we can now do and create an intelligent being(humans)out of manipulating the gene's of monkeys.How could we despute his theories when 35 years later we stand on the threshold of doing just that.And if we go there Planet of the apes here we come....lol.!!! edit I liked that last bit,hahaha.....sorry

hari...hari I think maybe objects are the sum of all there parts,not one!we may look through to smaller and smaller parts.We struggle to find the meaning to life and consciousness,We may have to resign ourselves to never understanding, the magic ingredient,because we are looking in the wrong place.The very moment you die,you could look for the smallest quark/gluon whatever,and find everything is still there.But your dead,gone to were ever you came from.It could be that consciousness is created the very nanosecond sperm and egg join,an electrical discharge or chemical reaction. Or maybe that electrical charge traps some exotic particle that our formed neurons fire around the brain.And that when the nucleus of the very first cell formed at conception disintergrates the exotic particle is released back into the universe with its infinite amount of buddies until the next capture. Could it not be that the universe is a conscious entity.Thats why all religions teach god is all around us in everything you see or touch,that you are part of god. Only a thought of mine to share.....a little deep yes,blame madscientist for going off on a lsd mission

no its an excellent idea,make sure its a scientist though as they know exactly each pro's and cons in current data,not just someone who bible bashers as it would be counter productive.

Excellent reading,it goes into all the gory details and frightens you for some weeks when there's some guy coughing near you in the town centre

Yes good old uk television is excellent its 12.30am and arafat still here.I heard he was sent to the same hospital as Princess DI....you know he wont be coming out alive theres a conspiracy theory doing the rounds that arafat is really a women and pregnant to charon

removed it lucid it was only a joke

Fair enough,i agree with most of the latter in your post.Like a few people here i post my thoughts on subjects im interested in,i dont post to influence other people to my way of thinking,just stimulate them into discussion.I own a huge library of books on many topics,i have a head full of facts,thoughts and questions,I do not post for answers as you know many topics are ambiguous,just to discuss possibilities.I admit i dislike to be told my opinions are crap,especially as ive studied many hours on evolution(yes origin of the species as well) you see i didnt come to the conclusion of why i dont think we share lineage with primates off the top of my head.I searched for the data with an open mind and could only draw this conclusion from digesting the facts. I dont want to convert you,i dont have that right but you may have some input i find intriguing and likewise.I would like this very much to be an end to our quarrel.So may i just say to you a small but vital fact regarding this closeness to our buddie the chimp.You may be stimulated into finding some data for yourself. You and many here know we have only just mapped the human genome,no such mapping of chimps/primates genome have been done.When they say 98% its an exaggerated generalisation grounded on the similarity in the amino acid sequences of some 30-40 basic proteins present in man and the chimpanzee. A sequence analysis has been made with a method named "DNA hybridization" on the DNA sequences that are correlated with these proteins and only those limited number of proteins have been compared. There are about one hundred thousand genes, and therefore one hundred thousand proteins encoded by these genes in humans. For that reason, there is no scientific basis for claiming that all the genes of man and ape are 98% similar just because of the similarity in 40 out of 100,000 proteins. (this 98% similarity was carried out in 1987 by biologists Sibley and Ahlquist) which has been revised by later studies to( 86.7 sarich) last example used by evolutionists on "the genetic similarity between man and ape", is the presence of 48 chromosomes in chimpanzees and gorillas versus 46 chromosomes in man.Evolutionists regard the closeness of the number of chromosomes as indication of an evolutionary relationship. However, if this logic used by evolutionists were valid, then man would have an even closer relative than the chimpanzee: "the potato"!. Because the number of chromosomes in potatoes 46. Ok i hope ive got my point across a little more amicable bye now buddie

Sorry Dreamlord your posts are fine but dont speak for ophiolite as he hasnt tried to say anything.Also just a point when you refer to my posts i never stated mam/dad/brother/sister.So if you are going to quote me it would be helpfull to not attribute words to me which are not me own.Ok thanks

ophiolite since (post 70) i have been consistant in that i believe man shares no common ancestry with chimps/apes.I put forward facts(post 76) to support my belief.When one reads over subsequent posts from your innitial objection to post 70 you have basically went. yes we do,no we dont,yes we do,and end up in your last two posts vindicating my post(70). all of your posts offer no factual evidence at all,so it would be nice if you could post your stand point on this issue,do you believe we share common ancestry with chimps/apes (point x 1 creature) Then i will post something that will hopefully put an end to your trolling.. Please dont pm me to insult me its very immature,your claims that you teach evolution to students for 40 years i find very difficult to accept,your posts show that you have no real concept of the subject

Lack of sleep on a regular basis causes Sayanora syndrome,with a touch of Ophiolite anusorus.So get some sleep guys..night all

I like that buddie really funny lol,I wish everyone had your sense of humour

Quoting them books eh fine!!,go away over the next few days and read them,then come back and say the same thing.And will you then be satisfied if i give the page numbers and lines down.Dont bog yourself down in wording (decent from apes).If man and chimp both started from point x 1 source they are decendants! as in roots-tree-branches. Grandma-mam-son .Carefull now before you reply Missing link,yes they do! its the holy grail of human evolution stop being ridiculus. edit ive just noticed you just said that Dreamlord was absolutely correct,make your mind up your looking quite silly now.If you continue like this i shall not reply in future edit mr and mrs blobby in bed...mrs blobby goes wobbleobblegurrblgurg. mr blobby says " shut up and just swallow it women"

Dreamlord thats the doctrine so far friend,and thats what every book of evolution theory says.Unfortunately there is no hard scientific fact to back this up.Despite wishfull thinking by some here,thats why we cannot find the missing link.It is only my opinion of the facts available, that makes me believe present and past primates which we find evidence for in fossils are a totally seperate line of decendancy from man.(a simple eg. man from dog ,apes from cat) This may leave a huge door for the creationists to exploit,however its a small price to pay