Moontanman

No, in fact humans designed goldfish..

No, in fact those things are evidence of reality, none require a god, all are explained by natural processes... Cars do not self organise, cars do not metabolize, cars do not reproduce, cars are demonstrably the creation of humans designed by humans. The only way to tell if an object is designed is to compare it to an undesigned object ie a rock, dirt, sand, or the moon.

Prove god and we'll talk about god, simply asserting it is meaningless. As the late great Christopher Hitchens said "that which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence...."

No problem dude, time is one of the few things I have plenty of.

Sensei what is the program you used to render that image? The thickness of the plexiglass should be much thinner and the rectangle connecting the 2 foot tall cylinder to the 4 foot tall cylinder should be 2'X2'X4' (height width length) The rectangle connecting the 4' tall cylinder to the 6' tall cylinder should be 4X2X4 and the rectangle connecting the 4' X 6' cylinder to the 2X4 cylinder should be 2' wide and 4' long but it should slope up from the bottom of the 4X6 cylinder to the bottom of the 2X4 cylinder. Great job btw, my attempts to render this was always in 2d, the 3d version helps enormously when explaining this aquarium and it's shape and purpose.

Where do you park your squad car Mike? I am indeed anti religious as well as a sceptic, an Apistevist, and an Atheist. I of course did not start out that way but nothing cures religion quite like actually thinking for yourself while reading the Bible... The whole religion makes war thing isn't really true, it should read that religion is easily used to convince believers to do a great many evil things if you con them into thinking god wants it done. What really burned my ass was religion being used to milk money from those least able to afford it. While the preachers and pastors, routinely build mega mansions, one for each day of the week, airplanes, helicopters, diamond mines, and full scale models of noah's ark. Let's not forget child molesters, that crime isn't confined to catholic priests, it's quite rampant in southern baptists and the rest as well. But none of these things suggest a hierarchy. BTW, tell me more about the fallout shelters, it would seem we are going to need one in not too distant future...

Spot on Sensei ! I answered this a while ago but evidently I accidentally deleted it instead of answering. The reason for all this odd shapes, ramp, dropoffs, and cylinders. Is to direct fish into the current while removing any walls they could swim into at high speed and at the same time give them the feeling of swimming into a current and the choice of swimming in and out of cylinders. One thing I do different than most aquarists is I like to start out with small fish and allow them to grow to get used to the shape of the aquarium. Most public and private aquariums like to start out with large fish to impress viewers but ultimately many of the large fish don't do well transitioning to a captive environment from the wild... I am seriously considering applying for a patent on this, not sure if it's unique enough to be patented.

Thanks a lot for taking the time and trouble to do this guys. My description was evidently further off than I thought, both of you rendered it upside down! All the surfaces have to have the same height, the cylinders and the rectangles all have open surfaces, the water level will be the same at the surface in all parts of the aquarium. They are all interconnected so a current can be made to flow in one direction causing vortexes to form in the cylinders. Every 6 hours the current shifts resulting in a short time of turbulent water and the flow shifts to the opposite directions for 6 hours imitating tidal currents. The bottoms of the cylinders and rectangles will all be at different heights above the floor, supported by a stand. Sorry I didn't get back to you. This is my first time online since late last night, I think I got a bug of some kind, been in bed all day, or more accurately in the bathroom.

Think for a moment Mike, science admits there things it cannot at this time answer. Religion claims to have the answer to everything while knowing nothing. No one says that God and the angels of God cannot be alien super scientists. Science simply says at this time there is no evidence to support that assertion. Religion and the supernatural have never contributed any knowledge of the unknown to mankind. Religion and the supernatural have never found cure for a disease, in fact they have never even suggested a disease had any causes except demons. Religion and the supernatural have never made it possible for one man to feed many through agriculture, animal husbandry, fishing or any other means. Religion and the supernatural have never provided clean water or sanitation. In fact it can be said that religion has done the opposite. Religion and the supernatural have never provided a reason not to go to war and kill your neighbor, in fact most if not all religions have indeed contributed to war and allied themselves with fascists. Religion and the supernatural have never provided us with, tools or the methodology to use those tools to build houses, boats, cities, or to smelt metals. In fact our entire civilization in based in science and the scientific method. Take away science and the fruits it has provided and people start to die immediately. millions within days, billions with in months. Take away religion? Nothing would happen other than humans might want to stop teaching religion as science...

Nailed it!

Thank your sister for me. Much appreciated!

That would great! The main detail not shown in the picture is that the cast cylinders are not of equal length, one is 72" tall the next would be 48" tall, and the last would be 24" tall. The rectangles are the same height as the cylinder behind it but always "48" long and 48" wide the rectangle connecting the 48 would be 24" tall. After the 48" cylinder it connects with the 72" via a rectangle 48" long X 48" tall and 48" wide. This would be a drop off of 24" to the bottom of the 72" cylinder. now the rectangle connection between the 72" tall cylinder and the 24" tall cylinder would be a sloping ramp up from the bottom of the 72" to the bottom of 24" cylinder. That would be wonderful dude, this tank is designed with pelagic fish in mind, the reversing currents (every 6 hours the current would reverse and cylinders become vortices.)

I'd feel a bit better about all of it if sane people were incontrol...

One more time!

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Mike, why should you look for knowledge in a book written by bronze age savages? Everything the book asserts that can be tested is wrong. Much of it is plagiarized from earlier mythological books and none of them contain anything not known to modern methodological naturalism. From my point of view you have done nothing but slowly sneak the idea of the supernatural and a particular book about the supernatural into the conversation in an obvious attempt to legitimize said book even though the book is a collection of meaningless fairy tales. The Bible gives us nothing but a set of so called moral codes that would get you arrested in any 1st world modern country. The Bible gives us nothing that would allow the human condition to improve much less direct us to actions that would improve the human condition. The Bible is full of lies and deception and it's truly sad that an intelligent modern human would even consider it meaningful. 6,000 years is nothing compared to deep time, if we go by modern thought on this humans have been around for 250,000 years. Are you suggesting that for 244,000 years god looked at human suffering from brutality, disease, natural disasters, other predatory creatures, not to mention his fellow man and then one day decided to give his instructions to the ignorant goat herders of the middle eastern desert instead of some civilized group of humans like the chinese who already had writing and wouldn't have had to pass the stories down in a game of chinese whispers for thousands of years. Mike, you need evidence to even begin to assert the concept of god, much less your god, and then you would have to explain why god ignored us for hundreds of thousands of years? I am not longer confident you can do any of that...

Thank you Sensei, I will keep trying, I think maybe I need to start out a little simpler and work my way up to cylinders connected via rectangles, drop offs and ramps.

The idea behind this aquarium is to allow pelagic fish to be kept, the shape allows vortices created by currents and the general shape of the tank to make it easier to keep pelagic fishes.

Well that is easy for you to say I have a free version of something called sketchup but so far It's not exactly user friendly...

IMG_20170813_0002.pdfI want to produce a drawing of an oddly shaped aquarium. The shape is so odd it's difficult to visualise, doubly so if i want to help someone else to visualise it. Does anyone here know how to draw objects, something like a mechanical type drawing. The actual shapes and proportions are more important that dimesions. The aquarium consists of three round tubes, It's easier to state sizes so the three round tubes are 48" in diameter, the center of each tube would be at the vertices of an equilateral triangle. Each side of the triangle is 96" long and each tube is connected to the next via a rectangular tank 48" long and 24" wide and the height of each tube and rectangle can vary between 48" to 15" tall. Here is a top view. aquarium.pdf

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-21710644 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-21710644

Just one of many, from kidnapping Japans citizens to actual military action against south Korea this craziness has been going on a long time... http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-21710644 https://www.quora.com/Is-North-Korea-actually-a-threat-to-the-world-If-so-why Google is so jammed with this subject it's difficult to pick but threats to the south, Japan (not to mention actually kidnapping Japanese citizens from japan), helping other nations acquire nuclear technology. The list of threatsa abd crimes committed by North Korea is long and depressing...