Moontanman

Thank you!

Space colonies are not expensive in the way that building boats is not expensive. If you had to build a new boat from scratch every time someone wanted one it would be ridiculous. But when you produce thousands of boats you can pass the savings on to everyone. Establishing infrastructure is the main expense but one you have that infrastructure costs per habitat go down...

I agree but living on Mars would be like living in a vacuum chamber, with radiation, and a freezer! Space colonies, built in space from materials found in space could be quite large. A torus hundreds of miles across and tens of miles thick would be possible with no magical technology, although controlled fusion would definitely make it far easier. I often liken it to the iron age or bronze age by naming it the carbon age in terms of what would be used to construct the habitats...

I keep trying Mike but what you are asserting must be way above my head... I keep fish. I see them, quite regularly, stop fearing me and in many cases actually seem to vie for my attention. Food is a very strong motivator. I also see them display emotions when I catch a fish that trusts me to change the tank it's in. Usually it takes days to weeks for them regain trust in me. I've seen wildly varying species of fish display what appeared to be friendship. But the idea of hierarchies is still arbitrary, under different circumstances fish would no doubt be way above me if hierarchies exist. Scuba diving will show you this almost immediately. To me it seems that any level of superiority depends on who dominates the situation...

Did you find the relevant paper?

Ok, I see that I have posted this before, one thing to realise that ap stars except this one, AFAICT, is the only one that contains very short lived isotopes of heavy elements. In fact one of them, technetium simply does not exist in nature in anything but microscopic amounts. On the earth technetium is so rare than an amount equal to the volume of a sugar cube is all that exists at any one time..

This about to drive me nuts, am i wrong to wonder what is going on here? We are talking about gigatons of short lived elements being in a star. Elements that do not even exist on Earth or in nature in general. Unless this star is newborn, and even then It's difficult to understand where these elements could have come from. Another problem is that evidently no other star has been found with this transuranic content...

I'll believe going to Mars has something to do with overpopulation as soon as we colonise Antarctica, much nicer place than Mars. Going to the Moon or Mars has definite scientific benefits, the cost is trivial compared to maintaining a huge military force. Benefits in advancement in technology cannot be predicted but using the space program so far as a ruler we would be stupid not to explore the solar system. Eventually we will colonise space but I doubt it is be done by colonising planets. Far too many problems, toroidal colonies or Oneil type cylinders are far more likely, easier and make far more sense...

What if the wise use the concept of god to control the masses?

I understand that, but it would appear far more than plutonium is involved..

I'm not sure if I already posted this if so i apologize. Can this star be explained? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Przybylski%27s_Star

The idea, often quoted by Muslims, that the Quran is scientifically accurate uses the assertion by the Quran that sweet and salty water do not mix as proof but it is trivially falsified. They do mix, winds, and currents mix them thoroughly. Alaska is no different, the freshwater locked up in ice is less dense and floats on top of the sea water for a very short time before becoming mixed. This so-called scientific fact asserted by Muslims is in fact blatantly dishonest...

Yours or anyone else's personal incredulity has no bearing on reality...

So you use a comedian as a source?

Holy books cannot be proof of anything, they are the claims that require proof.. Yes, let's do that, but you need to start your own thread this one is not about that...

What would your point be? This video is nothing but baseless assertions...

If it's a simulation, as with god, who ever did it is an asshole..

To me you are assigning meaning where none really exists. As I said before you could roll dice and get the same results but in a much more complex way. Not to mention this "divining" being a really arbitrary thing. I have some experience with this. I was raised to think I was a water witch, I used to forked willow branch to find water many times. I've never been really sure since adulthood how that really worked. I think that finding water is much easier than people think and most of the time when you drill down in certain areas you will find water. Having said that on at least two occasions I found water after the driller had bored several dry holes. It had to be coincidence but at the time it was an enormous feeling of power. I'll quote AronRa and say, "if you can't show it you don't know it" ... The whole idea of hierarchy is really tough to wrap my mind around. You say this: And yet you have no working definition of how you equate intelligence. Technology? A flawed yardstick for sure IMHO. Brain size? We have to go back to a sperm whale having a complex brain as big as a bushel basket. And elephants having a brain bigger than a basketball and elephants display complex behaviors we can identify with. Angels? This smells very strongly of the supernatural something you have to show the existence of before you can go there. As I have said before technology doesn't immediately bring you superbeing status and things like the speed of light limit your ability to communicate over distances. I am trying Mike but I just can't quite reach you on this...

Ok, I'll take that back, let me say this. Your rigor in judging evidence lacks any possible way to falsify what you assert or to convey that information to others in a way that can be experienced by them. In other works you are just casting a die and deciding the outcome on chance...

Perhaps you should, I have no idea how to approach this, I simply do not have those feelies you are talking about. Not even when I was doing my best to believe...

Ok, how do you know this is happening? I have to agree with Area54, unless you can give us some sort of measure/ template for what you mean by hierarchy I don't see how we can really begin to figure this out..

So... You do realise that if you dived the world un into three areas something is bound to happen in one of the three... right?

So your left hand got goose bumps or something?

And how clear was that indication Mike?

Yes Mike, that would be it..