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Would the world be a better place without religion?
Moontanman replied to Itoero's topic in Religion
I am not sure of what you are doing, you seem to be ignorant of what the abrahamic religious dogma says. I am ignorant of what the Hindu holy books say but I am quite well versed in Christianity, it's dogma and how the vast majority of christians ignore the parts they do not like. You seem to be among those that ignore the horrific things that Yahweh demands to be done and the thing he does by himself. None of the things i have listed are obtuse nor are they cherry picked. I have been quite accurate about what Yahweh demands we do, what Yahweh permits, and what Yahweh claims he does. The Christian bible is a horror story and the main character is a pathological monster, if you cannot see those things then you are either ignorant, willfully or by accident. The question of would the world be a better place with out religion depends on whether you drink the kool aid straight or if you ask about the ingredients and refuse to drink all of them. It cannot be denied that religion does good things, nor can it be denied that internal parasitic worms do good things, the good things both do are unintentional and the resources they squander could be put to better use by the people they parasitise. -
I've read some speculation that tides and the resulting movement of water and stirring of chemicals might have had some significant effect on the genesis of life and had enough effect on the environment to accelerate both abiogenesis and evolution. In fact The Book "Rare Earth" , Peter Ward and Donald E. Brownlee suggests the tides and therefore the moon might be a critical component of a life bearing planet. Not having the moon and it's influence might have had a negative impact on life on the earth such that complex life might not have evolved at all. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rare_Earth_hypothesis From what I've read this line of speculation has lost most supporters in recent years.
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Would the world be a better place without religion?
Moontanman replied to Itoero's topic in Religion
If you are not aware of any religion whose dogma demands these things then you need to go back and read your holy book. Secular society gelded Christianity kicking and screaming into the modern age. Now religion comes to you with this smiling face claiming to be kind and good. But when religious dogma had the power of life and death they exercised that power quite frequently. Killing Jews was practically a regular entertainment or someone of another religion and burning and or hanging of anyone thought to be a witch or in league with Satan or accused of blasphemy. -
Would the world be a better place without religion?
Moontanman replied to Itoero's topic in Religion
Are you being intentionally obtuse? I never claimed secular societies were perfect, but secular societies can only threaten you with death. Believers think death is just the start of eternal torture (Abrahamic religions, others have their own punishments after death) I am not aware of any secular dogma that requires humans to abuse, kill, or enslave other humans for relatively benign behavior, I mean really, picking up sticks on the sabbath? BTW cherry picking is quite the poisoning the well don't you think? If you are going to accuse me of cherry picking please have the decency to be specific. I see no cherry picking by myself. But if I have pot meet kettle... -
I've only had lobster once in my life, I prefer rock crab claws, I used to catch them scuba diving at night. I love to scuba at night! I also happen to love eggs! Goose eggs and duck eggs are my favorite. I seriously never seen a egg explode but I've seen a lot of them bust in some assholes hand when he was throwing them. It make you wonder if eggs have to have particular circumstances to explode, those moa eggs are hundreds of years old at least. I'm not so sure the the so called "thousand year old" duck eggs count. They are boiled and pickled so that is probably not a fair comparison... Catfish eggs are pretty good fried, carp eggs too, they sell popeye mullet, and shad roe here in sea food stores, they make great fish food...
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Then again Moa eggs thousands of years old have been found intact... then you have thousand year old duck eggs supposed to be a delicacy!
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Having been raised on a farm with more chickens than I could count i never saw an egg explode, rotten eggs were rather fragile but I've seen eggs that were months old that still didn't burst until something hit them. They stunk pretty bad and I've seen people throw them and the eggs busted from the force of throwing them. Old rotten eggs are fragile, but I never noticed any build of of internal pressure, eggs do have tiny holes so the embryo can breath. Sounds like an experiment is in order, I nominate you Phi...
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Eggs explode?
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Also fossils are not fount out of place. You wouldn't find a bunny rabbit in the Cambrian layers of rock, not would you find Dimetrodon with dinosaurs.
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This is a great resource for information about evolution: http://www.talkorigins.org/
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Would the world be a better place without religion?
Moontanman replied to Itoero's topic in Religion
Teach contentment? Please define contentment and how it is taught by religions? Please tell us how teaching people to worship a mythological being promotes contentment? Tell us how teaching that killing someone who is homosexual promotes contentment? Abrahamic religions teach all sorts of things that are abominations that people have to be killed for: Working on sundays Wearing clothing made of two different types of thread Not putting the proper fringes on your robes Having sex outside of marriage But! They allow slavery, genocide, killing at gods demand, human sacrifice, killing anyone who tries to get you to worship another mythological monster, cutting off the foreskins of hundreds of men as an offering to god, 613 laws that no one can frollow all of yet breaking them means hellfire. Not true, secular charities do not threaten you with hell fire to coerce money from you. Secular charities do not teach children they are dirty sinners deserving of hell. Secular charities have to keep track of the money, report how much is taken and and what it is used for. Secular charities do not use the lions share of money to proselytize or build grand buildings to honor a mythological being that lives in the sky, they do not pay popular pastors with multiple multi million dollar mansions, private jets, secular charities are not a route to fame and fortune. Far from mainstream religion rejecting fundamentalists, fundamentalism drives the mainstream churches. Secular charities do not refuse to help people who do not accept their belief systems, they do not try to change laws to follow some ancient dogma that denies rights to anyone who they do not agree with based on the dogma of ancient books that are totally wrong about everything testable they claim about the natural world. Secular charities do not try to inject some ancient dogma into public schools disguised as science. -
I thought some of us might find this interesting, not exactly cold fusion but it could have been what was being detected 27 years ago! https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/its-not-cold-fusion-but-its-something/
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Maybe you should consider Venus for floating cities, normal Earth air is lighter than the CO2 atmosphere of Venus, you get more sunlight and no worries about needing a huge support structure that contains useless gas...
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Would the world be a better place without religion?
Moontanman replied to Itoero's topic in Religion
No one can prove religion is wrong, that is how they suck you in. They make these silly claims about not needing proof or that negative proof is the same as evidence. No religion has any basis in reality, neither does bigfoot, the lock ness monster, Thor, Zeus, Fae, Adrianna, the list is long and depressing. But taking your of "that doesn't mean the words aren't true" then you have lend equal credence to all of those things as well. Secular humanism is not only quite capable of providing the same things religions do but at a much more efficient services per dollar. The lions share of money donated to churches simply go into the coffers of the church to build and maintain huge churches and provide pastors with pay and in many cases multimillion dollar homes, private jets and other luxuries while begging money from people cannot afford it but the treat of hell fire provides the incentive for them to pay up and do with out. Secular organizations are far more common than people think, they are getting more numerous and can replace anything the church can do but not make people rich by coercing the sheep to pay for their lavish life styles. Churches do not have to account for any of the money they bring in but secular charities do. I'll go with the organizations that have to honest over organizations who are clearly dishonest...- 920 replies
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Would the world be a better place without religion?
Moontanman replied to Itoero's topic in Religion
Then all religions should be labeled as frauds? -
It is still used in science and communicates the idea of multiple groups of fishes. Used in a sentence it would be like this. "There are several groups of electric "fishes" on Earth today, Knifefish would be one such group mainly from south america, mormyrids would be one group of fish from africa but both groups of "fishes" use electricity to navigate and communicate..."
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Would the world be a better place without religion?
Moontanman replied to Itoero's topic in Religion
I live in the Southern US, the bible belt, I see religion encroaching into the rights of others regularly. I oppose these things by being active in my community. I have Many stripes of religious neighbors in my neighborhood, I never go out and try to convert them in any way. I do not consider standing up for the rights of others to be intolerant. But I will react to the intolerance of others to the degree they are intolerant. I put up with being constantly told I am going to hell. I fight against pseudo science being introduced into our schools and government as well as religious dogma. Why you would expect me or anyone else to roll over and ignore the fact that people are being attacked, killed, abused, denied basic human rights and trying to insert religious dogma into our society? It is not intolerant to not tolerate those would would take my and others rights away. To allow them to do so is not tolerance it is surrender. What can i do? I fight, resist, and do my best to ignore the intolerant unless they pose a threat to others and society at large. -
Not entirely correct my friend, fish is only correct if you are talking about one species of fish, fishes is the plural used if you talking about many species of fish. I thought this thread was about electro communication in fishes...
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Would the world be a better place without religion?
Moontanman replied to Itoero's topic in Religion
So we should tolerate those who seek to destroy us? I am not talking about not tolerating people who disagree with me on religion. As long as you can practice your religion under the rule of law then have at it but using ancient texts as an excuse to conquer the world cannot be tolerated. Trying to make everyone else conform to those ancient texts cannot be tolerated. Religion by it's own definition seeks to convert the world, if that conversion is indeed voluntary then you get what you paid for. Your religious rights end where my rights begin, governments cannot be allowed to go by the laws in an ancient book. If you or your religion is being suppressed I would be among the first to defend your rights but religion cannot return the favor. Their dogma requires them to be intolerant of any other. The edit is quite plainly marked by " " around the one word I left out.. -
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If you were responding to my post the anti part is relative, to the people in the anti universe time would flow the same way we see it. They would be isolated from us by the big bang...
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Could dark matter form planet sized objects?
Moontanman replied to imatfaal's topic in Astronomy and Cosmology
Some Dark matter candidates do act as their own anti particles. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter -
Would the world be a better place without religion?
Moontanman replied to Itoero's topic in Religion
This is not a neener neener neener contest, this thread is about religion, because others do this doesn't make it right for religion to do so! I left out a word by accident, see the edit... I do not decide the truth, reality is what it is, belief doesn't figure into it. Only testable repeatable evidence counts. So we should tolerate terrorists, tolerate abuse, tolerate sexual abuse, tolerate the disenfranchisement of people whose only crime is simply not agreeing with the people who play elaborate games of pretend with a magical monster in the sky? -
Would the world be a better place without religion?
Moontanman replied to Itoero's topic in Religion
They cause me harm by harming our society, anytime any one persons rights can be taken away by someone else due to beliefs we all suffer. They do indeed make me live by their rules, they intimidate me and others like me by constantly trying to proselytize us, by a constant hostile living environment if you do not confirm you are "not" one of them. They pass laws based on nothing but belief, persecute people for no reason other than belief. Instilling lies as truth is wrong, abusing children mentally and physically by teaching to fear living any other way, by threats of hell fire and disenfranchising anyone who questions. Their hatred does imping on me, both personally and by the mere fact that tolerating their hatred gives other people free righn to do as well. My gay son was beaten severely in college by people who hated him because he was different. That cannot be brushed under the rug by tolerance... "edit due to leaving out a word" -
Earth quakes can be created artificially? I think this needs some support...