Moontanman

Citation please! The sites I have visited disagree with you! But it's not relevant to the OT...

You don't get metallic gaseous hydrogen, it's liquid metallic hydrogen, not sure about metallic helium but neither Uranus or Neptune have pressure high enough to create them.

I've done it and I was always successful... but we might not be talking about the same thing...

There you run into more of a mini neptune than a super earth. Such planets are called by some Ice Giants due to the deep layers of pressure ice at the bottom of the hydrogen, I am not sure that on Neptune's you get liquid hydrogen much less on mini neptunes.

It's also usually associated with very high heat and very high pressure like neptune or uranus, thousands if not millions of bar...

I looked at this a bit deeper, it suggests that about 30 bar is the limit for light to penetrate to the surface, but we can hypothesize a planet, maybe 20,000 miles in diameter. 10 - 20 bar atmosphere of mostly hydrogen. 12 times earths mass, less dense but 2 gravities at the surface, 15.6 times earths volume, 6.25 times the surface area. It would be difficult to escape using chemical rockets but nuclear should do it... day length could be anything, but longer days seems likely to me 36 hours, just arbitrary on that, a couple Titan sized moons... Is this planet more likely than Earth?

I am a water witch, my grandfather taught me the art of dowsing, some of it is smoke and mirrors, some of it is reading the land, some of it is a bit mysterious...

The Thrill is gone babe, the thrill is gone.. yeah right.. come here! 

yes that is very true!

Of course not! Well except maybe.. well you know.. John and Tom and Hmmm did I mention I have cheese nips?

Ok, I thought you were saying that the paper asserted that no complex life forms could evolve, miss understanding, no problem...

If you come across anything let me know, when my children were born I thought of what a beautiful thing I had helped do, but it is true that feelings are electrochemical in nature, doesn't make them any less real to me. The feelings I had were very deep and profound but the need to attribute them to something supernatural isn't in me...

So all I get are non answers? How do you know what your god wants? Why did god allow the horrors for thousands of years ago, when did god say to stop? How do you know Jimmy? I have read and continue to read the bible, modern christian is not the result of god changing anything, it's due to humans realizing what god demanded was wrong..

NASA suggests life on Saturn's moon Titan http://www.nasa.gov/topics/solarsystem/features/titan20100603.html How ever, once life gets started... I wonder if complex intelligent life on a hydrogen world sits around wondering if complex life could survive in the presence of what to them must be a poison.. oxygen? Can you point me to where the paper says that only fungi and bacteria would be possible on such a world?

Thank you Jimmy, I was beginning to think I was being ignored! Disagree sure but to be ignored is bad! Yes, it would seem that some hope exists for hydrogen breathers, I remember Issac Asimov say that the energy deficit could be made up by the fact that high pressure hydrogen would contain far more hydrogen atoms per "lung full" than an oxygen atmosphere like ours. The key that really excited me about this was the possibility that on a hydrogen world energy could be stored by plants making oxidizers, the opposite but similar way that in our atmosphere plants make and store energy in the form of carbohydrates, pretty much a mirror image of our own world. But more importantly if plants stored oxidizers then fire would be possible and by extension technology!!! A hydrogen world would not be limited to a stone age civilization!

Umm, isn't that country where the crime occurred that inspired this thread? Ummm I apologize, I was thinking of another thread, again my apologies... I gave up my hand guns, just a disaster waiting to happen in my opinion, even cops off duty and on sometimes accidentally discharge their weapons... I love that term, "accidentally discharge their weapon" the damn thing went off, they shot their gun! We had a police officer in an apartment complex where I used to live many many many moons ago, before I was married, who "accidentally discharged his weapon", and killed a woman in the apartment above him. He was fired if memory serves me but wasn't charged but the woman remained dead...

Jimmy, you claim numerous times that the word of your god has been corrupted or misused in some way, you state the commandments are a good guide to civilized life yet four of them only deal with how to worship god, the others are not unique to the abrahamic religions at all and are in fact simply rip off of things like the code of Hammurabi. I'd have been impressed a bit more if it had included things like maybe not owning other humans, or giving women equal rights, or possibly not committing genocide (like god demanded several times), respecting others who are different, possibly telling men not to be racist or sexist or homophobic. No it simply states the same old tired codes thought up by bronze age savages with a huge dose of who to worship and how. Then you go on to at least imply that what other christians are doing is not for you to criticize yet they are are attempting to destroy our civilization by trying to impose those same horrific biblical values and knowledge we spent centuries trying to get away from. A return to the time of religious power would be insane at this juncture. It always spirals out of control because men always twist religion, or any other arbitrary power system for that matter, to serve their own needs. Religion is especially vulnerable because it's adherents seem to always take the attitude that they cannot judge the religious values of others (of the same religion of course) yet once one religion gains power the first thing they do is persecute the people of other denominations or sects or what ever it is called. You see it in every religion, not just the christian one. when they don't have power they protect each other, when they do they persecute each other. It's a power game, nothing more and I for one will not play it or allow it to gain power through my own inaction.. This is simply wrong, it doesn't really matter who does it, it's still wrong. My morals come from humanistic values, are they perfect? of course not but they are a damn sight better than this or the bible. If I had to summarise my views, I would state: So work to reform it, do not allow it to regain power, BTW you sound like a neo pagan here! Why is this meaningful? Do we not have the right to see this for what it is.. WRONG! It wrong Jimmy, it's wrong, all sane people agree this is wrong, why do you try to use it as an excuse for religion? Again fix it, don't try to make excuses for it... But they are opposed to each other Jimmy, by definition they are opposed to each other, one is based on belief the other is based on evidence. Science does not support the atheistic anything, atheism looks to reality, science defines reality, if religion looked to reality there would be no problem but it does not... again by definition.. Yes, and basing those rules on some arbitrary justice system that advocates killing unruly children or killing homosexuals or people who work on the sabbath, or who plant two crops in the same row or any one of 613 arbitrary rules is wrong! We see it as wrong, I am betting you see it as wrong. I think your morals are better than your gods morals... I know mine are... And there in lies the flaw, you follow something that is completely arbitrary, has no evidence of it's existence, has no reason why it should be followed and not some other god or pantheon of gods... and it's why I am a humanist but more importantly I base my morals on the potential harm my actions have on others. I am a social being, my actions must not harm the greater good or the personal good of other individuals short of allowing them to harm me or others. It's quite simple... Religion does not in anyway adhere to the benefit of mankind, as a whole or individually, it benefits religion and the power it craves.. Jimmy how do you tell who is a false prophet and who is not? How do you know what the message is if it's so easily corrupted? Sticking your head in the sand doesn't become you Jimmy...

Actually in my state it is now legal to carry a gun into a bar.. what could possibly go wrong? Most of them have long guns in the house, most of these are shotguns... A few do indeed carry hand guns all the time...

Donald Trump Godwins Law Need I say more? https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13879460_1219244964775527_7750097128096302943_n.jpg?oh=151ceb7bf93476faf99ca14a27e241de&oe=58161272

What country are we talking about as yours? In mine all my interactions with the police are very similar and I don't know anyone who doesn't own a gun...

Just when I think you "guys" take me seriously...

There are some other schools of thought on this, I have communicated with Foot about mirror matter and possible ways to detect it. https://www.technologyreview.com/s/418687/first-evidence-that-mirror-matter-may-fill-the-universe/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_matter I am kinda surprised to see mirror matter suggested as a solution to the dark matter problem. It would have to be at the weak interaction limit Foot first proposed. In my conversations with Foot he seemed to think it might be somewhat more interacting than what Dark Matter seemed to be.

Jimmy, the Bible specifically demands that witches be killed, that anyone who tries to talk you into worshiping another god should be killed, In fact there are 613 commandments in the bible many of which the punishment for not following is death. From wearing cloth made of more than one fiber to planting two crops in the same field to working on the sabbath. Far too much death and the entire idea of heaven and hell is unjust and immoral...

If only, Chernobyl was, at least at the beginning, manned by people. Some of the accounts of such radical radiation exposure reads like science fiction...

It certainly protected them, in fact it still does! I saw no reason to name specific religious people, Popes are not the only evil men religious clothing and Catholic priests are not the only religious authority figures that use their position of power to both molest children and cover it up, fundie protestants, evangelicals, and other denominations have their fair share as well... My point would be that you seem to think that the Christianity we see today is the same one that existed 200 years ago and further back. Actually that is not really fair since modern Christians in non western societies still do their fair share of evil in the name of Jesus! And again, the fact that religion was so easily twisted to justify and cover these peoples crimes, and child molesters is not the only bad things they get by with, but the fact that religion is so easily sued by these people is a strike against it in my book...