Moontanman

I already have shown you what the bible says that isn't true, you have dishonestly hand waved it away. Here is just a small part of the dishonesty of the bible, No one who knew anything about genetics would make such a claim Genesis 30: 25-43

yeah guns... http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/texas-mother-killed-cops-fatally-shooting-daughters-article-1.2687929

If you are prepared to answer I suggest you do so...I used the lower case god because you have yet to show why your god is any more real than any other god... I have asked you about specific things in the bible, not any pagan religion. Your obfuscation is testimony to your dishonesty, if you were honest you would either refute my claims or admit i was correct, you do neither and in doing that you break your own 9th commandment...

Maybe that is why they anal probe the people they abduct, could it be a form of communication?

So you are just going to ignore the questions I gave you? Typical for theists to ignore that which they cannot explain...

That could be the reason we don't get visitors, maybe the abundance of some element here on earth is high enough to deter them. I'm not sure we can make assumptions about how they could or could not protect themselves from toxins elemental or biological. Here on Earth we have some pretty toxic biologicals, poison ivy is hell on earth to us if we get into it. I think allergens could be a big problem, what we see as just hay fever could be a deadly plague to them. In fact we have some resistance to biologicals they might not have any resistance at all to things that don't affect us in the slightest. Contact between ecosystems could be a bigger barrier that we think. I have a particular fetish for stanford torus type habitats, another planet enough like Earth to support us seems unlikely. In the range of planets we have discovered so far none are really identical to the Earth. It raises the question of just how much like Earth would a planet have to be or maybe more importantly how different could it be and still support us?

Maybe we taste like chicken to them... I have my doubts that any advanced civilization would have need for planets. At best they might have a specialist who studies ancient cultures or something like that. It's quite possible they might already be in our solar system but simply have no reason to contact us beyond the curiosity of an emerging culture. Do you think that things like viruses might deter any contact between ecosystems? Even small changes in the abundance of rare elements like mercury could render a planet uninhabitable by us. Makes sense the same could be said for aliens.

Lovely... So many years ago and still beautiful!

I had forgotten that very forgettable movie... Unless the aliens were aggressive I can't see how a visit would change anything...

Nonsensical word salad, just what I would expect...

Can you give some evidence of this?

Up until now I have taken you seriously despite your displays of ignorance but all you need do is google the moon and see how wrong you are. In fact I would say almost certainly that you know the moon orbits the earth in roughly 28 days and at times it would be lost in the glare of the sun and so not visible. The moon is often visible during parts of the day but it is so lost in the glare of the sun few people take notice. Get yourself a globe and a smaller ball and use them as visual aids. Not to scale on orbital distance:

I think you make a valid point, at least the part of our civilization that is capitalism unchained, exploitation of aliens would be expected and pursued.

You make a good point, where I live I see animals altering "nature" to further their own goals quite often. I can't see how changing the environment to suit us is any different that a beaver building a dam or an alligator building a nest. The Idea of natural is rather dependant on the point of view of the observer. I'd be willing to bet a beaver looks at a road that interrupts it's dam as unnatural. If a beaver has thoughts of course and that would be a different conversation...

Now that yet another alien invasion movie is opening and the idea is yet again being milked can we reasonably speculate what would really happen if aliens arrived? I'm not sure if the aggressive stance of this movie is the most likely but what would you do? What do you think your government would do? What do you think religious leaders would do? If the aliens were not aggressive would the long term results still be destructive?

Have you seen the Axanar trailer?

I got you mixed up with dimreeper, my apologies...

I hold no belief at all, you seem to be suggesting that some sort of belief is necessary... I am an apistevist, evidence is necessary for me to consider the veracity of anything...

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1zIN3IEU3Vc/VaZnSWUV4fI/AAAAAAAAdPA/JFcUt2bLWKE/w519-h596/2015%2B-%2B1 Um repost...

https://industrialtalks.wordpress.com/2012/12/12/why-titanium-is-used-in-the-aircraft-industry/

Isn't titanium stronger than steel pound for pound? I have read someplace that one disadvantage of titanium is that is cannot be forged. I'm not sure if that it cannot be forged at all or if it is very difficult to forge...

And that choice would be?

http://www.johnbray.org.uk/planetdesigner/ Report on the Terran and [unnamed] systems Introduction | Stars, planets, and moons now | Star and planet formation | Commentary Introduction The results of the calculations are given below. All values are given in the most convenient units, with the ratio of the pair quoted. Stars and planets evolve over time. Some features, like mass, remain roughly constant throughout their lives, others change quite dramatically. At the moment the program only handles stars on the Main Sequence, when they are stable. It assumes the star and planet are formed at the same time, and counts time from Zero Age Main Sequence (ZAMS), quoting values then and now. Extrapolate between them at your peril! After the hard numbers, some commentary is given. This is the bit most likely to reflect my prejudices, so take things with a pinch of salt. Hope you found this program useful! John Stars Feature Sol Sol Ratio Comment Type G2 G2 Mass (M0) 1.00 1.00 1.00 Solar mass M0 = 1.99E+30 kg Distance from Earth (ly) 0.00 0.00 1.00E+00 Light year = 9.47E+15 m Age on Main Sequence (Gyr) 10.00 10.00 1.00 Age (Gyr) 4.60 4.60 1.00 Radius (R0) 1.00 1.00 1.00 Solar radius R0 = 6.96E+08 m Surface gravity (m/s²) 274.2 274.2 1.00 Escape Velocity (km/s) 618 618 1.00 Luminosity (L0) 1.00 1.00 1.00 Absolute magnitude Mv 4.7 4.7 Apparent magnitude mv -26.9 -26.9 Surface temperature (K) 5796 5796 1.00 Peak wavelength (micron) 0.50 0.50 1.00 Ecosphere inner radius (AU) 0.99 0.99 1.00 Ecosphere outer radius (AU) 1.38 1.38 1.00 Star formation Luminosity (L0) 0.71 0.71 1.00 Solar luminosity L0=3.90E+26 W Radius (R0) 0.92 0.92 1.00 Solar radius R0=6.96E+08 m Absolute magnitude 5.1 5.1 Apparent magnitude -26.6 -26.6 Temperature (K) 5539 5539 1.00 Peak wavelength (micron) 0.52 0.52 1.00 Ecosphere inner radius (AU) 0.84 0.84 1.00 Ecosphere outer radius (AU) 1.16 1.16 1.00 Terran [unnamed] Feature Earth The_Moon Earth The_Moon Earth/ Earth The_Moon/ The_Moon Comment Formation Rotation period (hr) 21.96 0.00 21.96 0.00 1.00 -nan -ve is retrograde Temperature range of orbit (°C) -38.6 to -43.2 -13.9 to -19.0 -38.6 to -43.2 -13.9 to -19.0 General Type Terrestrial Terrestrial Terrestrial Terrestrial Mean orbital distance (106 km) 149.60 0.38 149.60 0.38 1.00 1.00 Astronomical Unit=1.50E+08 km Eccentricity 0.020 0.060 0.020 0.060 1.00 1.00 Axial tilt (°) 23.4 0.0 23.4 0.0 1.00 -nan Year (Earth days) 365.2 27.3 365.2 27.3 1.00 1.00 Star system escape velocity (km/s) 42.12 42.12 42.12 42.12 1.00 1.00 From planetary orbit Angular diameter of star (°) 0.53 0.53 0.53 0.53 1.00 1.00 Angular diameter of moon (°) 0.52 1.91 0.52 1.91 1.00 1.00 Solar day (hr) 24.00 11110.29 24.00 11110.29 1.00 1.00 Radius (km) 6370 1743 6370 1743 1.00 1.00 1/Ellipticity 294.1 300.0 294.1 300.0 1.00 1.00 Lithosphere Mass (Earth Masses) 1.00 0.01 0.01 0.01 1.00 1.00 Earth Mass=5.98E+24 kg Maximum Mass (Earth Masses) 3211.7 -nan 3211.7 -nan 1.00 -nan Density (kg/m³) 5523 2696 5523 2696 1.00 1.00 Albedo 0.33 0.00 0.33 0.00 1.00 -nan Inertia Factor 0.34 -nan 0.34 -nan 1.00 -nan Typical surface gravity (m/s²) 9.83 1.31 9.83 1.31 1.00 1.00 Equatorial surface gravity (m/s²) 9.81 1.32 9.81 1.32 1.00 1.00 Polar surface gravity (m/s²) 9.86 1.31 9.86 1.31 1.00 1.00 Escape velocity (km/s) 11.19 2.14 11.19 2.14 1.00 1.00 Rotation period (hr) 23.9 696.0 23.9 696.0 1.00 1.00 -ve is retrograde Shortest possible period (hr) 2.63 3.77 2.63 3.77 1.00 0.70 Any faster and planet breaks up Geosynchronous orbit (km) 35724 84021 35724 84021 1.00 1.00 above the surface Plate tectonics end (Gyr) 5.10 0.19 5.10 0.19 1.00 1.00 After this carbon is buried in the oceans (terrestrial planets only). Maximum mountain height (m) 16570 124062 16570 124062 1.00 1.00 Mountains in practice smaller, terrestrial planets only Horizon distance (m) 3091 1617 3091 1617 1.00 1.00 at eye level, 1.5 m Atmosphere and Ocean Atmospheric pressure (mbar) 1013 0 1013 0 1.00 -nan Minimum RMM for atmosphere (g) 2.54 69.37 2.54 69.37 1.00 1.00 Gasses lighter than this escape over geological time (Hydrogen = 1) Atmospheric RMM (g) 33.84 0.00 33.84 0.00 1.00 -nan Specific heat capacity (cp) (J mol-1 K-1) 27.6 0.0 27.6 0.0 1.0 -nan Speed of sound at surface (m/s) 318.8 0.0 318.8 0.0 1.00 -nan Temperature range of orbit (°C) -17.7 to 3.6 -17.7 to 3.6 -17.7 to -22.8 9.2 to 3.6 Without greenhouse effect Greenhouse effect (°C) 36.00 0.00 36.00 0.00 1.00 -nan Typical surface temperature (°C) 15.8 6.4 15.8 6.4 With greenhouse effect Scale height (m) 7222 0 7222 0 1.00 -nan Dry adiabatic lapse rate (°C/km) 12.07 0.00 12.07 0.00 1.00 -nan f (Coriolis effect) at 45°N * 1E4 1.03 0.04 1.03 0.04 1.00 1.00 Mid-ocean tide height (m) 0.46 16.52 0.46 16.52 1.00 1.00 Commentary Terran system: For Earth:Hydrogen will escape from proposed atmosphereFor The_Moon: Plate tectonics may have ceased. Proposed rotation period too short, as it would have been spinning too fast when formed The_Moon will give total eclipse of Sol on Earth Earth will give total eclipse of Sol on The_Moon [unnamed] system: For Earth:Hydrogen will escape from proposed atmosphereFor The_Moon: Plate tectonics may have ceased. Proposed rotation period too short, as it would have been spinning too fast when formed The_Moon will give total eclipse of Sol on Earth Earth will give total eclipse of Sol on The_Moon Of course if the Earth had it's atmosphere stripped away a sand dune would extend beyond the atmosphere, the question is truly meaningless if you take that stance...

My choice? Do you suggest there is another choice?