Moontanman

You make a good point, where I live I see animals altering "nature" to further their own goals quite often. I can't see how changing the environment to suit us is any different that a beaver building a dam or an alligator building a nest. The Idea of natural is rather dependant on the point of view of the observer. I'd be willing to bet a beaver looks at a road that interrupts it's dam as unnatural. If a beaver has thoughts of course and that would be a different conversation...

Now that yet another alien invasion movie is opening and the idea is yet again being milked can we reasonably speculate what would really happen if aliens arrived? I'm not sure if the aggressive stance of this movie is the most likely but what would you do? What do you think your government would do? What do you think religious leaders would do? If the aliens were not aggressive would the long term results still be destructive?

Have you seen the Axanar trailer?

I got you mixed up with dimreeper, my apologies...

I hold no belief at all, you seem to be suggesting that some sort of belief is necessary... I am an apistevist, evidence is necessary for me to consider the veracity of anything...

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1zIN3IEU3Vc/VaZnSWUV4fI/AAAAAAAAdPA/JFcUt2bLWKE/w519-h596/2015%2B-%2B1 Um repost...

https://industrialtalks.wordpress.com/2012/12/12/why-titanium-is-used-in-the-aircraft-industry/

Isn't titanium stronger than steel pound for pound? I have read someplace that one disadvantage of titanium is that is cannot be forged. I'm not sure if that it cannot be forged at all or if it is very difficult to forge...

And that choice would be?

http://www.johnbray.org.uk/planetdesigner/ Report on the Terran and [unnamed] systems Introduction | Stars, planets, and moons now | Star and planet formation | Commentary Introduction The results of the calculations are given below. All values are given in the most convenient units, with the ratio of the pair quoted. Stars and planets evolve over time. Some features, like mass, remain roughly constant throughout their lives, others change quite dramatically. At the moment the program only handles stars on the Main Sequence, when they are stable. It assumes the star and planet are formed at the same time, and counts time from Zero Age Main Sequence (ZAMS), quoting values then and now. Extrapolate between them at your peril! After the hard numbers, some commentary is given. This is the bit most likely to reflect my prejudices, so take things with a pinch of salt. Hope you found this program useful! John Stars Feature Sol Sol Ratio Comment Type G2 G2 Mass (M0) 1.00 1.00 1.00 Solar mass M0 = 1.99E+30 kg Distance from Earth (ly) 0.00 0.00 1.00E+00 Light year = 9.47E+15 m Age on Main Sequence (Gyr) 10.00 10.00 1.00 Age (Gyr) 4.60 4.60 1.00 Radius (R0) 1.00 1.00 1.00 Solar radius R0 = 6.96E+08 m Surface gravity (m/s²) 274.2 274.2 1.00 Escape Velocity (km/s) 618 618 1.00 Luminosity (L0) 1.00 1.00 1.00 Absolute magnitude Mv 4.7 4.7 Apparent magnitude mv -26.9 -26.9 Surface temperature (K) 5796 5796 1.00 Peak wavelength (micron) 0.50 0.50 1.00 Ecosphere inner radius (AU) 0.99 0.99 1.00 Ecosphere outer radius (AU) 1.38 1.38 1.00 Star formation Luminosity (L0) 0.71 0.71 1.00 Solar luminosity L0=3.90E+26 W Radius (R0) 0.92 0.92 1.00 Solar radius R0=6.96E+08 m Absolute magnitude 5.1 5.1 Apparent magnitude -26.6 -26.6 Temperature (K) 5539 5539 1.00 Peak wavelength (micron) 0.52 0.52 1.00 Ecosphere inner radius (AU) 0.84 0.84 1.00 Ecosphere outer radius (AU) 1.16 1.16 1.00 Terran [unnamed] Feature Earth The_Moon Earth The_Moon Earth/ Earth The_Moon/ The_Moon Comment Formation Rotation period (hr) 21.96 0.00 21.96 0.00 1.00 -nan -ve is retrograde Temperature range of orbit (°C) -38.6 to -43.2 -13.9 to -19.0 -38.6 to -43.2 -13.9 to -19.0 General Type Terrestrial Terrestrial Terrestrial Terrestrial Mean orbital distance (106 km) 149.60 0.38 149.60 0.38 1.00 1.00 Astronomical Unit=1.50E+08 km Eccentricity 0.020 0.060 0.020 0.060 1.00 1.00 Axial tilt (°) 23.4 0.0 23.4 0.0 1.00 -nan Year (Earth days) 365.2 27.3 365.2 27.3 1.00 1.00 Star system escape velocity (km/s) 42.12 42.12 42.12 42.12 1.00 1.00 From planetary orbit Angular diameter of star (°) 0.53 0.53 0.53 0.53 1.00 1.00 Angular diameter of moon (°) 0.52 1.91 0.52 1.91 1.00 1.00 Solar day (hr) 24.00 11110.29 24.00 11110.29 1.00 1.00 Radius (km) 6370 1743 6370 1743 1.00 1.00 1/Ellipticity 294.1 300.0 294.1 300.0 1.00 1.00 Lithosphere Mass (Earth Masses) 1.00 0.01 0.01 0.01 1.00 1.00 Earth Mass=5.98E+24 kg Maximum Mass (Earth Masses) 3211.7 -nan 3211.7 -nan 1.00 -nan Density (kg/m³) 5523 2696 5523 2696 1.00 1.00 Albedo 0.33 0.00 0.33 0.00 1.00 -nan Inertia Factor 0.34 -nan 0.34 -nan 1.00 -nan Typical surface gravity (m/s²) 9.83 1.31 9.83 1.31 1.00 1.00 Equatorial surface gravity (m/s²) 9.81 1.32 9.81 1.32 1.00 1.00 Polar surface gravity (m/s²) 9.86 1.31 9.86 1.31 1.00 1.00 Escape velocity (km/s) 11.19 2.14 11.19 2.14 1.00 1.00 Rotation period (hr) 23.9 696.0 23.9 696.0 1.00 1.00 -ve is retrograde Shortest possible period (hr) 2.63 3.77 2.63 3.77 1.00 0.70 Any faster and planet breaks up Geosynchronous orbit (km) 35724 84021 35724 84021 1.00 1.00 above the surface Plate tectonics end (Gyr) 5.10 0.19 5.10 0.19 1.00 1.00 After this carbon is buried in the oceans (terrestrial planets only). Maximum mountain height (m) 16570 124062 16570 124062 1.00 1.00 Mountains in practice smaller, terrestrial planets only Horizon distance (m) 3091 1617 3091 1617 1.00 1.00 at eye level, 1.5 m Atmosphere and Ocean Atmospheric pressure (mbar) 1013 0 1013 0 1.00 -nan Minimum RMM for atmosphere (g) 2.54 69.37 2.54 69.37 1.00 1.00 Gasses lighter than this escape over geological time (Hydrogen = 1) Atmospheric RMM (g) 33.84 0.00 33.84 0.00 1.00 -nan Specific heat capacity (cp) (J mol-1 K-1) 27.6 0.0 27.6 0.0 1.0 -nan Speed of sound at surface (m/s) 318.8 0.0 318.8 0.0 1.00 -nan Temperature range of orbit (°C) -17.7 to 3.6 -17.7 to 3.6 -17.7 to -22.8 9.2 to 3.6 Without greenhouse effect Greenhouse effect (°C) 36.00 0.00 36.00 0.00 1.00 -nan Typical surface temperature (°C) 15.8 6.4 15.8 6.4 With greenhouse effect Scale height (m) 7222 0 7222 0 1.00 -nan Dry adiabatic lapse rate (°C/km) 12.07 0.00 12.07 0.00 1.00 -nan f (Coriolis effect) at 45°N * 1E4 1.03 0.04 1.03 0.04 1.00 1.00 Mid-ocean tide height (m) 0.46 16.52 0.46 16.52 1.00 1.00 Commentary Terran system: For Earth:Hydrogen will escape from proposed atmosphereFor The_Moon: Plate tectonics may have ceased. Proposed rotation period too short, as it would have been spinning too fast when formed The_Moon will give total eclipse of Sol on Earth Earth will give total eclipse of Sol on The_Moon [unnamed] system: For Earth:Hydrogen will escape from proposed atmosphereFor The_Moon: Plate tectonics may have ceased. Proposed rotation period too short, as it would have been spinning too fast when formed The_Moon will give total eclipse of Sol on Earth Earth will give total eclipse of Sol on The_Moon Of course if the Earth had it's atmosphere stripped away a sand dune would extend beyond the atmosphere, the question is truly meaningless if you take that stance...

My choice? Do you suggest there is another choice?

Ok, you are the first person to explain it in that manner but it seems reasonable as long as i don't have to assume they do exist until I prove other wise...

How do you explain away gods word demanding murder genocide, rape pillage and taking of little girls as sex slaves?

That would mean that it is assumed not to exist would it not? In the face of a lack of evidence that bigfoot exists the null result is that bigfoot cannot be said to exist..

I do have a site where you can input things like mass, density, for a planet and get the maximum mountain height. It is so far below the asked question that the concept is really nonsensical. Glad you put a better take on it...

The point is that in the face of a lack of evidence, and by evidence i am talking about methodological naturalism, the scientific stance is that what ever is lacking evidence does not exist...

No

The null hypothesis is that it is not true...

Ewww!

I honestly have no idea if it is anything but a joke, I thought it was funny, my rude sense of humor I guess... I'd be afraid that chimp would go to my ass over that...

I misread your post, I have indeed seen a single cloud raise unholy hell many times here on the coast..

still funny! as is arc's question...

You can claim that no scientific evidence exists to suggest it is true, therefore the null hypothesis comes into play..,.

Quite the contrary I neither accept or reject the almighty assertion, I simply state up front there is no evidence there is any truth to it. Nonetheless my assertions of the invalidity of the Bible and therefor god as described in the bible do not hinge on the story of creation being true, or the flood story or jonah and the fish or whale. I am willing to grant for the sake of argument that these things are nothing more than parables or morality tales. I am willing to pass on the evidence that these stories are simply plagiarized from earlier pagan religions. There are things that cannot be anything but evidence that god is a deceptive jinn or mythology. Pi is not equal to 3, the bible states clearly that Pi is equal to 3, no one with even a rudimentary knowledge of geometry would make such a claim, exposing pregnant goats to striped sticks will not and cannot cause the kids to be born striped. No one who knows anything about genetics would claim such a thing. The Bible clearly states the Earth is a flat disc covered with a crystal dome surrounded by water with the sun, moon, and stars inside that crystal dome. There are a great many moral issues as well, anyone who follows the moral code of the Bible would be at least imprisoned or a criminal on the run in any nation on earth. Jesus either lied or had no clue as to things like germs and the importance of cleanliness, Jesus claimed that he would return before the generation of his day had passed, he made this assertion at least three times. Jesus told slaves to obey their masters as they would obey god, even the cruel masters. God's army that he backed with his omnipotent power was defeated because his enemy had chariots of iron... is god an elf who's power is negated by ferous metals? God demands genocide, rape, pillage and even the taking of little girls as sex slaves. Unruly children are to be stoned to death at the edge of town, the god of the bible is a homicidal monster, anyone who would worship such a being if he existed is morally bankrupt...