Moontanman

I appreciate everyone's help, I like to have the science at least semi accurate but the story is more important, it looks like that Ceres would not be stable in orbit of the Earth, I wanted it to be inside the Moons orbit but close enough to the Earth so the Moons gravity would not make it unstable, maybe an orbit of a few days at most. Since the Moons has a significant effect on the Earth a Ceres sized body would be affected by both the Earth and the Moon, might make for some interesting tides but I would like the system to be stable over geologic time... I have several stories roughed out and now that i have WP back on my computer I can get started on a couple at least. I have one that is almost finished, when i get it done I'll post it so you guys can "critique" it...

I keep wondering, do we know where these people are, the hard core leaders, or are they spread out all over hell and creation?

Probably not the best place to ask this question, but I already had this thread from a while back, but we are not talking about human technology, from our standpoint it might as well be magic, I am trying to outline a story i want to write. Too heavy to orbit the Moon or too heavy to use the gravity capture which is not an issue? I was thinking of a very close in orbit of the moon, just beyond the Roche limit of the moon. Used by what? The kicker here is this is not human technology, the story is about a super civilization coming into our solar system and moving stuff around without ever contacting us, we never see them, the only evidence of their existence is the effect on our solar system. (of course some people are going to think it's god others aliens and the drama is the conflict between those groups. Thanks for the answers, I should have started another thread in the lounge... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jupiter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barycentric_coordinates_%28astronomy%29 The barycenter is basically how they detect planets around other stars, this illustration shows how our Sun wobbles

Would any of these orbital problems be less pronounced if the bodies in question were moved via super technology into as perfect an orbit as possible? Ceres orbiting the Earth between the Earth and the Moon, would closer to the Earth be better? Geosynchronous? Ceres orbiting very close to the Moon 5000 miles or less

Some hydrogen metabolizing organisms: http://www.phschool.com/science/science_news/articles/hungry_for_hydrogen.html

A new twist on this I thought of, how about GMO trees that grow into domes eventually connecting together and covering Ceres with a system of domes containing atmosphere generated by the GMO trees?

Current conditions on the Earth are not conducive to the formation of life, you statement contains an assumption that needs to be supported... Under reasonable conditions self replicating systems and life my be a thermodynamic inevitability... https://www.quantamagazine.org/20140122-a-new-physics-theory-of-life/

Please elaborate on what you mean by this..

People who have received mechanical hearts seem to experience emotion...

Let me make sure we are on the same page, if we could move an earth sized planet into the orbit between Mars and Jupiter it would be at least as stable as the other inner planets?

Your publication was not available, but my question was not if Jupiter caused the asteroid belt Again, my question was not how or why the asteroid belt formed but if a planet could orbit there, not form there..

It has been long said that Jupiter prevented a planet from forming between Mars and Jupiter, in fact some sources seem to indicate the Jupiter may be the reason Mars is so small. Thought experiment, if it was possible to move a planet between Mars and Jupiter, for the sake of this thought experiment lets assume a planet about the mass of Earth. Would such a planet be stable in that orbit? (ignoring the asteroid impacts it would attract of course)

All humans are members of the same gene pool, gene flow between various peoples has never stopped and to say that one group is distinct from another cannot be a viable option. For a particular group of humans to be distinct enough to say they are really different on some way other than superficially would require isolation and no human population is isolated from nor have they ever really been isolated from all other humans. I know videos are frowned on but this guy says it all so eloquently in easily understood terms I think he is worth watching if your interest in this idea is driven by curiosity...

Absolutely wild video!

Thank you very much for your good wishes, I am celebrating the anniversary of my 29th birthday!

So basically what you are saying is that you have no idea what evolution is or how it works and think that survival of the fittest means survival of the strong? Populations evolve, not individuals, yes some fit individuals will die anyway but the group continues. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survival_of_the_fittest

I'd like to see some citations for this word salad...

I honestly cannot see how you could debate anti vs pro evolution, for there to be a debate both sides would have to armed with falsifiable evidence, creationism which the OP has stated he is using has no evidence and cannot be used to refute any evolutionary evidence unless it is used dishonestly like the Scientific American quote mine near the beginning of this thread.

Personally I don't give a narrow rats behind if I insult your teacher if he or she is as ignorant as you claim, I would debate him any day. I have actually watched evolution in progress in my Daphnia magna vats, they normally grow to about the size of a BB gun pellet but over the course of a year or so if you use a net that only harvests the largest ones soon they will stop growing larger and reproduce at a smaller size eventually they will no longer grow large under any conditions. This can also be seen in the wild as well, in heavily fished waters where the largest fish are kept and the small ones are thrown back the population will start breeding at a smaller and smaller size until there are no fish large enough to keep. Evolution is a fact, living things change over time, the mechanism for this change can vary from simply surviving to reproduce to sexual selection where one sexes preferences drives the evolution of the other sex. Your argument is nothing but PRATT Points Refuted a Thousand Times, you have brought nothing new to the table, you are in a gun fight and you are the only one with out a gun. One thing I don't think i saw brought up is the DNA record, the fossil record was at one time relatively incomplete but now we have an abundance of fossils and with them we can trace the ancestry of nearly all living things but more importantly the DNA follows that same course and shows the relationships between different organisms is far more than just similarity in looks. Since you keep bringing up ID and creationism I am going to assume you are a Young Earth Creationist, one of those misguided individuals who think the earth is less than 10,000 years old and that all modern life forms were created in their present form by god. This is demonstrably wrong due to both fossils and radioactive dating as well as the geological column, the earth is 4.5 billion years old, the first traces of life occur around 3.8 billion years ago the first complex animals occur around 550 to 600 million years ago and in the intervening time you will not find any fossils out of place, no bunny rabbits in the Cambrian, no humans in the Cretaceous and no dinosaurs in the Silurian. I suggest you stop looking only at things your preconceptions agree with and start looking at the real science because if you are being taught those things you are being robbed of your education, you are being lied to and those lies will cripple your ability to be a productive adult. I think you should invite your teacher here if no one else will (and i doubt that) I will be glad to go into great detail why you OP is worse than wrong and that in fact it is dishonest to assert such things as true..

Thanks for doing that, I know everyone thinks i am secretly suggesting it is a alien space craft but in reality it was just puzzling and I love a puzzle. If it's not a hoax then it is rather strange to say the least, I've seen both videos and in person large meteors break up and I have never seen one do that, I have been drawing out some angles and seeing if the trajectory would allow for such a strange ejecta but my crude drawings tell me nothing but I would be amazed if a gas explosion resulted in what is seen on this video. It would have to have been a rather powerful explosion and that begs the question of why didn't that result in the total break up of the parent body? Generally that is what we see, the parent body begins to break apart but all the parts follow the parent bodies trajectory...

I am almost convinced it's a hoax but you may be correct. I was assuming a very high altitude very fast meteor if it was lower and slower I can see the ejected piece not leaving a trail but it appeared to be hot enough to glow...