Moontanman

I set up a 75 gallon aquarium two weeks ago with extensive filtration and lighting and I can already see a shift in life forms, a bottle with no aeration for a month...

So your miraculous evidence is a conman?

Define a miracle... Oh and yeah, give me some evidence that Jesus performed miracles... I've seen a mans leg grow three inches under a pastors healing touch, very impressive if you don't know the con...

I have to say that at some point i have seen an image similar to that under the microscope in relation to paramecium but my interest in protozoa is limited to growing them as food for other animals and not technically accurate in any way...

I think we have taken this thread off topic, if you really want to discuss this in detail i suggest you start your own thread. I have to say that if god is real and he wants me to know he is real then he knows exactly what would convince me. I could say something flippant like move planets or raise the long dead but technology could conceivably do these things, I have no idea how and see no reason to speculate in that direction. But the burden of proof isn't on me, I simply do not buy what theists are selling so proof would depend on what god you are selling. If you take a literal translation of the bible as factual then the god of the bible is demonstrably not true.

No, for it to be empirical you have to be able to demonstrate it to someone else, really really believing something does not equal knowledge. My analogies with alien abduction is just to show that people can claim experience of anything but if you can't demonstrate it then its not evidence of anything but what you believe. And yes BTW we talk about aliens here from time to time but that is not part of this conversation except that it has better evidence than your god...

As soon as one of my elders or anyone else produces empirical evidence i will listen... BTW why is your dream of Jesus any more relevant than an alien abductees dreams, which BTW they claim are not dreams...

Well you get to be pissed that i make light of your belief and I get to keep demanding evidence... Since i am 60 years old I think that if god exists and wanted me to know it he would know exactly how to convince me and done it by now..

They might imply that, they might imply almost anything you want but the proof is in the pudding. If Jesus is really god then yes that would be possible but I don't expect it to happen and until it does it remains speculation at best right up there with you telling me that aliens abduct you every night and that they are going to abduct me to prove your abductions are real. While this remains in the realm of possibility until it happens it's just horse feathers...

Knock your self out, my lack of belief does not define me, it is not in anyway possible to defame my lack of belief. In fact if you could do that you would win me over... I do not insult you I respect you as a human being but your beliefs are only as vulnerable as they are unsupported. It is impossible for you to insult me be belittling my lack of belief in magic sky fairies, if only your belief was backed by enough evidence to be as invulnerable as my lack of belief... My lack of belief in no way offers an alternative to belief, I have nothing to sell you, I simply am not buying what you are selling. Only a poor salesman requires faith, my lack of belief requires no faith...

Again, your beliefs are not immune to a good "kicking in the guts" in fact if your beliefs cannot stand the criticism then your beliefs might need to be looked at a little closer.

I disagree, if you think I was actively proselytizing you should report me. And your point would be? You nor me have the right to not be offended because of differing points of view, your religious opinions are not sacred to anyone but you. If you think my lack of belief in magical sky fairies is offensive i suggest you join a club, I'm quite sure you can get many members and i would still not profess respect for your beliefs, just your right to hold them...

SwansonT is not god? So all my shrines and prayers are for naught? Damn it I always make the wrong choice...

I keep thinking of WWZ...

Proselytizing is trying to sell others on your belief, not buying it and telling you why is not Proselytizing... I didn't accuse you of Proselytizing I said we were getting close to that level and we should stop, well you were any way... just trying to be helpful...

Seriously ... EEWWW! This on the border of proselytizing, probably not a good idea to continue quoting scripture if for no other reason scripture is meaningless as evidence as is personal experience. I don't believe the stories about Jesus for the same reasons i don't believe in bigfoot, alien abduction, or the lockness monster... Remember and this is important, that which can be asserted with no evidence can be dismissed with no evidence. I truly would not be surprised if there was an apocalyptic preacher at the time from what i understand there were many and one could have been named Jesus but as Eise has said at least a couple of times. The evidence for the supernatural part is non existent, to me that is the only meaning full part of the story...

You really can't compare the bubonic http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000596.htm with ebola, one is a bacterium the other is a virus but neither is 100% fatal.

If Jesus did that i would be impressed to say the least...

I have never seen a vision that indicates Jesus was real much less a twin... If you can't show it then you don't know it, really really believing something is not knowledge...

Yet you provide no evidence, my invisible dragon has just as much evidence. If frogs had wing they wouldn't bust their little slimy butts when they jump. I also have a flying dog but he only flies when i am looking and no one else has seen him fly... Do you understand what i am saying? Why would you believe something so outrageous as a god, lets cut to the chase that is what this conversation is about, why would you believe such a thing with no evidence? I can give better evidence for aliens visiting the earth than you can for a god, son of god or any other supernatural thing...

At this stage I think you are lying, care to refute that assertion? Your word is not good enough, I need proof...

If the Earth stopped moving everyone on the trailing edge of the earth would fly off into space, everyone on the leading edge would make some respectable craters filled with something resembling chunky salsa...

How would you categorize grain alcohol?

Again chemistry is not random...

Yeah and I mow Jesus' lawn every two weeks... edited for PC...